Covid stock market crash. Did you panic or keep a cool head?

Hi.

When the pandemic hit and messed up the whole world, I didn’t have a penny in the game yet. (I started playing in summer -22) I’ve sometimes wondered how I would have acted IF I had had money in the game when the crash was steep, the world stopped, and there was no end in sight for the price decline.

It would be interesting to hear your personal experiences and thoughts specifically from an Investor’s perspective. The pandemic itself, causes-consequences, tinfoil hat theories, vaccines, and restrictions are not of interest.

How did it feel when your portfolio melted by tens of percent? End of the world? It’ll be fine - these come and go. Did you smell the opportunity - now you can get it cheap!

It would be interesting to hear all kinds of emotional and/or analytical thoughts on the subject. After all, it’s neither the first nor the last stock market crash. Maybe I could learn something from the more experienced. Hindsight is easy, of course. Yeah, I knew how and when the pandemic would end and prices would rocket…

(If the topic is inappropriate, or there’s already a thread about this, just delete it.)

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I have quite good memories of the chaotic early moments of Covid. I was in Thailand, actually, and borders were just being closed, and there were no guarantees of getting home. It also happened to be my wedding then, and in the middle of the celebrations, I snuck off to the toilet to make some purchases, because Sampo was available for 23.xx. I remember thinking then, while tapping away on the Nordnet app, that this day would either go down in history as the happiest day of my life or, alternatively, one of the worst. Well, today, looking at both my better half and my portfolio, I can happily say that the first option came true.

Oh, and I did get home in the end. It was quite an eerie atmosphere at Helsinki-Vantaa on March 16th, if I recall correctly, when the borders had just been closed and there wasn’t a soul at the airport. Even on the train, I got to travel with two other people for the Helsinki-Oulu stretch. When I asked the conductor, five tickets had been sold for that particular train, but only the three of us showed up. Quite remarkable times, indeed.

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Hello!

That’s such a good start that I dug up an old article of mine, which practically coincided with the bottom of the COVID-19 slump (published 17.03.2020). In hindsight, it’s easy to say I was too cautious, but at the time, the mood was different. From that, I think one can quite well get into my state of mind at that moment – not knowing what the future would bring.

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At the beginning of 2020, before the pandemic had started, my portfolio was almost entirely in cash, as I hadn’t found anything to buy before then. The only stock was Macy’s shares bought at $17.53, which I purchased as a value investment in January. These then plummeted significantly, and the lowest quote was probably around $4.50. I even started a thread about the company here on the forum during the corona period.

Many things were surprising: how long the pandemic would last (it didn’t end in summer 2020 as I believed), whether a vaccine for the disease would be found, and what would happen to companies as outdoor movement decreased. The winners of the pandemic were, in hindsight, quite understandable. All kinds of demand related to remote work experienced a huge boom. In Finland, Harvia was among the winners as people were at home and it simultaneously occurred to everyone that they could also change their sauna heater. The world market price of oil dropped to NEGATIVE when travel came to a screeching halt.

Investing was really easy. One didn’t need to ponder much with Excel whether a Nordea trading at P/B 0.5 or top companies trading at book values were good long-term investment targets when bought at those price levels. If one thought about it this way. Daily movements in the stock market were several percentage points up and down - it could be that many investors imagined the bottoms had already passed on up days until new lows were reached again.

Although almost all stocks bought in March 2020 would have been significantly profitable a year after purchase due to central bank stimulus, it was still important to consider what would be temporary and what would be sustainable. The real losers of the pandemic were airlines and hotels, whose debt burdens grew and had to issue new shares to patch up their balance sheets. Remote work did not continue forever; instead, the related demand and the sharp rise in stock prices proved temporary for many companies.

So, did I make huge profits with a load of cash seeing the pandemic dip? Only partially. In 2020, I bought more shares of AQ Group, JM, and Macy’s. I have held all of these until today, but only AQ Group has been a true star. Stocks bought at other times have also performed well, and let this be a reminder that good investing does not always require a massive crisis.

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I made diversified purchases, more than usual, with extra cash but on a relatively small scale (e.g., I didn’t take out a loan for additional investments). The idea was roughly that people and companies would adapt and recover at some point, and during a crash, it certainly wouldn’t be the worst time to be buying, even if stocks fell further.

Looking now at the list of orders from that time, I acquired quite a few different stocks during the crash, all of which I already held in my portfolio. In retrospect, some were very successful acquisitions, examples of which include Sampo at €24 (split-adjusted €4.8), which is still in the portfolio, as well as Nobina at approximately 42 SEK (a bus company that was delisted the following year at 108 SEK per share), and Uponor at €6.9 (it was delisted in 2023 at €28.85 per share), and some were quite good (Starbucks) or mediocre. There were also some poor ones, like YIT, but in this case, the entire investment thesis was flawed, not just the price at that time.

I also note that I didn’t buy more of some stocks that were already in my portfolio at the time and have performed excellently since, such as Alphabet, Amazon (these are still in the portfolio), or Tesla (I sold the last ones last year). As I recall, I figured their multiples might still have had room to fall further amidst the uncertainty. :thinking:

I didn’t sell anything.

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In fact, I started a few months before the decline began by investing in Finnish, S&P500, Nasdaq, London, and European indices.

I got scared when Nasdaq dipped a few percent and sold everything :smile:

It was lucky that I had beginner’s nerves; I even made a profit.

Then I delved into Inderes’ materials and started direct stock investing. I wasn’t afraid of anything anymore, my nerves were steel, and every dip was an opportunity!

So I burned 1/3 of my portfolio as I didn’t understand the inflation/interest rates pushed up by component bottlenecks or the helicopter money initiated by Trump1, and their significance for stocks.

On the other hand - how naive would one be today if everything had gone well back then?

Certainly not the same kind of bloodhound as today :dog:

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I bought completely the wrong stocks, as the year’s balance from the tax return resulted in a handful of tax losses “for future years” :smiley: Luckily, I also bought boring stocks for my son’s portfolio, which is still well in the green even today - e.g., Sampo is still 50% up :wink:

I was just looking at the current portfolio. If I had bought each of the current ones at their lows, the portfolio would now be 50% larger. Waiting for the next crash… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Luck plays a part even for ships… Just before the collapse, I made quite significant sell-offs in my portfolio, paid off one home loan, and bought an investment apartment. The latter has proven to be a very good acquisition even after all the housing price drops.

While the sales went perfectly, the same cannot be said about the purchases, and I missed out on the entire corona dip. Well, perhaps the most successful financial decision related to corona was that I thought the equation of corona stimulus and negative interest rates couldn’t really work in the long run, and I hedged the interest rates of all my old and new housing loans at a very favorable level in 2020-2021.

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When the steep decline during the corona spring of 2020 began and continued, I understood the situation, that it was temporary and had an exaggerated taste of panic in the markets. Precisely for this reason, it didn’t really feel like anything; I’m a rather emotionless investor anyway, with a thousand-mark note expression on my face in bull and bear markets.

My brokerage account dropped by about -35% at its lowest, and I utilized that for active, time-diversified additional purchases (e.g., Wärtsilä, Sampo, and Nordea) throughout 2020; I didn’t sell anything before or after the corona spring. I also made additional purchases into index funds more frequently that year.

Those same corona dip purchases are still comfortably in profit in the portfolio; let them continue to grow there, as long-term ownership is my thing. Stock purchases made even before the corona era are mostly in profit, so panic selling wouldn’t have paid off in this case either.

So one could say it’s standard stuff, these come and go, and it doesn’t change anything in my investment plan.

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Of course, it must be remembered that quite a lot of people died in the COVID pandemic, and many were also afflicted by long COVID to varying degrees for the rest of their lives. Jobs were lost and uncertainty battered many sectors with irreversible consequences. One can certainly consider this “basic stuff” but such thinking is quite cold.

My investment career was still quite early then, and the lack of cash ruined the whole thing. I did get some hits at quite low prices, but my excessive caution and lack of money prevented me from fully benefiting from the situation. Additionally, I sold even slightly risen ones too early.

COVID served as a good lesson in my investment career. The “Trumpetist’s” chaotic dips went better already, although I am still too cautious. Of course, I know and understand myself; when I sometimes throw caution to the wind, there would have been a good reason for it precisely then.

As I wrote above, as an investor, I am quite emotionless. I don’t take a stance on the reasons for declines or rises, but rather utilize them cool-headedly and decisively, according to my investment plan.

What the COVID pandemic brought about is regrettable and sad; having spent a few nights in the hospital myself because of that damn corona, I still made cheap additional purchases even from my hospital bed.

Hello again.

As a reminder. Please write about things from an INVESTOR’S PERSPECTIVE. Let’s not dwell on the disease, symptoms, those who fell ill, the deceased, etc. Instead, what did you do or not do and why? What did you feel? Were you afraid that years of accumulated wealth would disappear like a fart in the Sahara? That the stock market and the global economy would not recover from this?

I assume many watched their melting portfolio with sweaty armpits and sold in a panic. Others, however, remained cool and calm, as several have already written here. I assume many went to sell and lost a lot.

Let’s talk now only about money, stocks, numbers, and of course, the strong emotions that this pandemic surely caused in almost everyone.

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I myself sold, bought, sold, bought, completely scared stiff. While working remotely, I watched the stock prices every 2 minutes, and my resting heart rate rose to around a hundred.

Eventually, when stimulus funds and interest rate cuts sent prices skyrocketing, I was about break-even thanks to that foolish trading. I significantly enriched Nordnet due to all that trading.

Nowadays, I have nerves of steel, and the antics of Trump, Putin, or anyone else don’t affect me much.

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Out of curiosity, I checked what the corona spring of 2020 looked like in terms of trades. From memory, I’d say that the Equity Savings Account (OST) was launched at the turn of 2020, so there are also, for example, Nordea’s transfers from a Securities Account (AOT) to an OST. If I recall correctly, Nordnet also had some opening offer that allowed for relatively cheap purchases, so at least compared to today, quite small sums per purchase order were made. However, my investment assets were also about a fifth of what they are now back then.

I was lucky in that I had prepared for the introduction of the Equity Savings Account by not buying anything, and I had even sold shares from my AOT in 2019 when they seemed expensive, so I was largely in cash.

It was bought with a taste of vomit in my mouth, and if I remember correctly, my own buying steps were at intervals of about 5-10%, meaning in March, you could practically buy everything once or twice a week. Looking back, I could have bought more and bigger, but the mood was quite grim, and during lockdown, there wasn’t much to distract my thoughts. Going for a run helped clear my head a bit, but otherwise, it was quite lonely, even for an introvert. Fortunately, I know many investors, and there were forums even then, so there were plenty of fellow sufferers to laugh and lament with about the situation. Without that, it might have been somewhat tougher to watch my wealth melt away alone. Of course, I was a student investor at the time, so investment literature had been hammered into my head recently, and all of it taught that crises are precisely the moments when one should buy. There, the inexperienced “hoyhoy” reminded himself that one must buy when there’s blood in the streets and pressed the buttons, even though some of the blood felt like his own. In the end, I even slept quite well at night. Five years later, however, I must say that my own discomfort has probably been somewhat forgotten, as looking at the price charts makes it easy to say that of course it was worth buying. At that time, however, the atmosphere was a bit different, as newspapers were calculating the endurance of intensive care unit capacity and drawing casualty curves that grew exponentially.

During the downturn, I acted correctly in relation to my own financial situation. I bought quite stable companies, of which, for example, Sampo seemed to primarily benefit from the pandemic. The mistakes came when I started reducing my weighting too early, even though the stocks were still absolutely quite cheap. Even there, a couple of Sampo reductions are visible in April. Of course, I was ultimately a net buyer long after that, but I should have bought even more boldly into the rising market. Fortunately, in the autumn of 2022, I was able to buy quite cheaply again, which allowed me to somewhat patch up my diminished stock weighting. Additionally, I messed up with my interest rate view, although that inflation after such helicopter money probably didn’t surprise me, and I certainly didn’t understand how strongly interest rates affect, for example, Citycon.

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As I recall, I bought quite a bit. However, my portfolio was quite small, as was the available money, so in euro terms, the profits weren’t dizzying. The percentage gains, however, brought a smile to my face.

Interesting and important topic. At that time, I had roughly the same amount of experience as an investor as @Suppilovahvero. I was pretty much all in, and it’s a pretty basic story: in full panic, I sold everything at -10% as doomsday scenarios were being hyped from all over the place. At that point, I couldn’t think rationally, nor did I have experience with anything similar during my short investing career. In hindsight, the decision was correct because I started buying back from the bottom. However, I wouldn’t make the same decision again, because it’s impossible to time the markets. Since then, I’ve made the strategic move of trying to keep my cash position around 15-20% precisely for both smaller and larger dips. Now, during the tariff news drop, I bought more stocks over several days throughout the entire slide. I even transferred my physical cash reserves to my account because I considered it a good buying opportunity as a net buyer, especially since, regardless of the company, all companies usually fall during panics. Now I’ve again realized profits and my cash position is at a record high (over 20%).
The stock markets have always eventually reached new highs, so one shouldn’t panic, even though it certainly feels bad to watch your portfolio melt away by five-figure sums in a few days.

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I was in the same situation. At the beginning of 2020, everything was cash and I was looking for investment opportunities or what to do. Then the corona dip hit.

I personally waited out the worst of the dip and started investing again in May 2020.
The most excellent purchase was Sampo right from the bottom and a few top-ups around €30. Additionally, I started index investing then, and it has been an excellent solution.

However, I can’t say I succeeded. I was quite moderate and also bought way too much during the worst rally in 2021 and 2022. Furthermore, when everything was going so strong all the time, I didn’t know how to let go of anything.

The corona dip taught me and significantly changed my entire investment approach.

I didn’t panic, but rather deliberately sold everything soon after I thought an even deeper, widespread dip was obvious (which it turned out to be), and my purchases were timed relatively well, after the rise had already begun slightly, clearly below the selling prices. For some reason, my mind got stuck when Russia’s 2022 invasion began; I didn’t realize right away - nor even much later - to buy defense industry stocks or ETFs. Now, in the spring, when Trump’s tariff shenanigans began, I bought shorts, which made some profit. In my opinion, such major “discontinuities,” “market disruptions,” or whatever one wants to call them, should always be exploited, even though I primarily engage only in long-term investing. For some reason, I am quite slow to react even when the signs are more than clear, partly because I don’t follow the markets particularly actively and need a bigger wake-up call.

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In 2018-19, I had started saving more robustly towards early retirement, but the main focus was on the fixed-income side.

In 2020, as COVID spread, approximately 30% disappeared from the portfolio due to market declines, and from mid-March (two days before the bottom, if I recall correctly), a rather aggressive buying program began, encompassing both stock picking and index funds. By July, the portfolio was already double compared to the COVID lows, and by the end of the year, it was triple.

By the end of 2021, the portfolio was five times its value compared to the COVID lows, and at this point, the current home had also been bought, and cash reserves were 100% utilized.

The turmoil in 2022 actually felt worse, because generally, a major war in the neighborhood felt like a terrifying thought. However, that’s already a matter for another thread.

Fundamentally, I’m quite little interested in stock market crashes or the value of my own investments, even though I follow them closely. When the significance of money in my own life is very negligible, then if the system level is seriously destroyed or damaged, one primarily hopes that society takes responsibility for people and that no one (or more realistically: as few as possible) would be left with nothing.

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The OST account had just been opened in January, and some “tax-free” profits had already accumulated. For a while, I watched the profits in the OST account melt away, eventually turning into what felt like drastic losses. At the same time, I regretted the AOT dividends, so I decided to empty the OST to get the losses for deductions and start over (back to the 50k deposit cap). I had deposited 14k initially and eventually got 9970€ out. I would have bought the same stocks back immediately, but there was a week’s delay in closing and opening a new OST (luckily for me). So, by luck, I avoided experiencing a week’s decline in the other account. New 15k deposits in and the same stocks back into the account on March 16th, which happened to be quite close to the bottom for many stocks.

I bought more index funds 1-2 times a month for about 6 months then. So I planned a 6-month buying program for which my savings would suffice. I didn’t sell anything from the AOT account, but on the other hand, the recovery from the crash was quite fast. If it had been months instead of weeks, perhaps panic would have struck harder.

I’ve never used leverage in stocks, and when putting money into the account, it’s always with the thought that it won’t be needed for years. This has perhaps partly calmed my actions.

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