Stock Market Direction (Part 3)

Bank loan worries make it easier for Fed to cut interest rates

On Thursday, there was more concern about banks and problem loans in America.

Worries about lending practices — especially in the private credit market — ramped up recently after two auto industry related outfits, Tricolor and First Brands, filed for bankruptcy. Zions Bancorporation disclosed a $50 million loss on two commercial loans Wednesday evening, and then on Thursday, Western Alliance alleged that a borrower had committed fraud.

The ghosts of the 2008 banking crisis are rising to scare for Halloween, but it’s not so bad that there isn’t something good too:

“Today got real ugly, but at least we finally have something that can make the Federal Reserve itchy to cut interest rates sooner rather than later,” Cramer said.

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Regarding Tricolor, it’s a company that grants car loans and has focused on providing loans to migrant workers without asking for documents. Considering Trump’s strict immigration policy, the problems don’t seem surprising. So, I don’t know if broader conclusions can be drawn from this case, at least, about the state of the US debt markets.

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Those car loan kiosks are in a way a barometer; that is, high-interest loans granted on flimsy grounds to broke people are good business in good times, but then when consumers’ solvency weakens, it certainly won’t surprise anyone that broke people illegally residing in the country are the first to stop paying loan installments. Some perhaps because they have been removed from the country, some because they have lost their jobs as employers no longer dare to hire when there’s a real risk that ICE will conduct inspections.

The market, naturally once again (as always), draws trend lines and now predicts that consumer demand will slump at a general level, and this just happens to be the first sign of it.

Is this realism, or are these failures truly just isolated cases, and whether it’s a side effect of the end of lenient times regarding immigration laws remains to be seen. Mr. Market will certainly be watching closely now for more similar issues as earnings season progresses, which would spread this “fire” elsewhere in the consumer credit sector.

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Continuation of the thread Pörssien suunta (Osa 2):

Situation in 2025:

Qt Group: Market Cap (intraday) 990.257M

Konecranes: Market Cap (intraday) 5.43B

In the long run, cash flow decides, and it’s not worth paying just anything for mere revenue, no matter how much a technology-driven winner company and quality compounder is on offer. Even a boring industrial bridge crane company can sometimes be a winning investment compared to the stock market’s hottest growth monster, if the price is right :cowboy_hat_face:

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What’s happening next week? :slight_smile:

https://x.com/eWhispers/status/1979148966353588575



Finnish corporate events, have those announcing their quarterly results on Thursday anticipated long ago, “huh, a bad result is coming, I’ll put the announcements on the busiest day of probably the busiest week, so our loss won’t be noticed.” :cowboy_hat_face:




Next week’s macro events :slight_smile:

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289 bankruptcies initiated in September 2025 | Statistics Finland

From the curve on the page, it can be seen that the number of bankruptcies is still at a staggering level, even though there is no longer growth compared to previous months. However, there are small glimmers of hope:

According to Statistics Finland, 289 bankruptcies were initiated in September 2025, which is 15 bankruptcies more than in the corresponding period a year earlier. The number of person-years in companies that applied for bankruptcy was a total of 1,074, which is 144 person-years less than in September 2024.

And more positivity for the start of the stock market week:

“The direction of the Finnish economy is finally turning” | Verkkouutiset

Industrial order books are filling up, investments are increasing at a record pace, and exports are pulling. Construction is gradually recovering, and Finnish expertise is visible globally from icebreakers to cruise ships, Jukka Kopra writes on X.

Consumers’ purchasing power has also strengthened as inflation has slowed and interest rates are falling. The Member of Parliament believes the momentum will increase further when tax cuts come into effect at the beginning of next year.

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The tweet below states that the markets now expect with certainty that the Fed will cut the key interest rate twice later this year, both in October and December, to 3.5–3.75 percent.

However, someone immediately commented below, saying:

When markets price something at 100%, they’re usually wrong.

I would bet against the consensus.

Fed doesn’t have to cut just because everyone expects it. If inflation sticks or economy stays strong, they’ll pause.

:cowboy_hat_face:

https://x.com/charliebilello/status/1979993458413617632


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(video link in the tweet )

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VIX index has fallen almost 19% in 1 day. Are the Trump riots across the pond having an effect?

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A little bit of bear-play in between.

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Following your message, here are a couple of highlights from today’s Vartti.

Investors’ cash weighting appears to be almost historically low. Note: it doesn’t always mean immediate peaks, but it certainly tells something about the prevailing sentiment. :slight_smile:

A contradictory situation is also visible in the United States. Small-cap companies have joined the stock market rally in recent months. But, small banks, in turn, have started experiencing problems (again) due to surprising credit losses. Both are indicators sensitive to economic development; it remains to be seen whose message about the economy is more accurate…

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Don’t those crypto margin calls also hint at this when small fluctuations lead to large liquidations?

I’ll continue this message with these worn-out metrics that I’ve been updating in this thread for a long time:

SP500 P/E 31.21 (not alarming, but expensive, especially when compared to interest rates):

CAPE or so-called Shiller P/E 40.21

The 10y treasury rate is currently 4%. These numbers certainly don’t entice me to deploy my cash reserves into the markets.

Add Verneri’s charts to this, and perhaps now isn’t the best time to be all-in anymore? Time will tell. I always have at least a small cash reserve as a buffer, and because it’s just mentally easier that way.

Let’s add this too, even though @Juha_Kinnunen hid it as a meme

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@Jukka_Lepikko and @Tuomas_Tuominen discussed what happens in the markets :scream:

The United States and China are once again in a trade war. Cryptocurrencies and AI companies are slumping. Gold and the VIX fear index are rocketing. How should investors react to the current uncertainty in the stock market? Jukka Lepikkö and Tuomas Tuominen once again provide an overview of the markets. Watch the episode!

00:00 Intro 01:21 Market overview - what’s happening in the markets? 02:20 USA vs. China trade war re-ignition 08:55 More on geo-economics 10:50 Rare earth metals 13:02 J.P. Morgan’s National Security Index 17:17 “AI bubble” 26:14 Crypto crash on Friday 10.0.2025 32:37 Gold price rockets 38:02 Fear factor jumped 41:05 Correction in hype stocks 42:51 Macro and market view 44:05 Outro

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Marianne has once again compiled a new Macro Glance. :slight_smile:

Macro Glance reports offer investors a comprehensive overview of key economic indicators. Reading the report requires an Inderes Premium subscription

Our key observations from this report are:

  • Stock indices have continued to set records as autumn has arrived, but in the currency market, the euro’s upward trend against the dollar shows signs of leveling off.

  • More green shoots visible in the euro economy: lending to households and businesses is accelerating, industrial capacity utilization has started to rise from its lows.

  • The difference in unemployment rates between the euro area and Finland has already grown to over 3 percentage points.

  • Real wage growth has stalled in the United States, but nominal wages are still growing.

  • In addition to the consumer sector, housing prices, which have continued to fall on a month-on-month basis, remain a problem for the Chinese economy.

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Fresh Purchasing Managers’ Index figures from Europe:

In Germany, important for Finland, momentum is strengthening. Eurozone figures coming soon.

Strong development also in the Eurozone.

The British are on the same line.

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CPI inflation September 2025:

September inflation in the US was 3.0% when markets expected 3.1%.

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The US just received lower-than-expected inflation data. As a result, at the next meeting, the Fed might cut interest rates and possibly end QT (quantitative tightening). At the latest, when the administration reopens, the Treasury General Account (TGA) balance will likely start to decrease, which would bring significantly more liquidity to the markets. The economy is growing, financial conditions may ease further, which would create even more favorable conditions for risk and growth stocks by offering plenty of additional liquidity. The market has turned upwards since yesterday, after last week’s mandatory and seasonally very typical correction of just over a week (especially for growth stocks) was cleared.

In addition, Trump has in his back pocket, among other things, the potential listing (IPO) of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the removal of their MBS limits, which could provide a significant liquidity boost to the housing market and thereby to the entire economy (I wrote about this in the RKT thread earlier).

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Next week will be busy :slight_smile:

https://x.com/eWhispers/status/1981716173138858437



There’s action and excitement in Finland too :slight_smile:

On Earnings Thursday, many companies are again announcing their results. The day has been chosen carefully; when there are many announcers, not much attention is paid to one’s own flops. :cowboy_hat_face:



There are also various interesting events in macros :slightly_smiling_face:

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Can I smile now?

Just take the picture already, I can’t smile anymore. All-Time Highs just keep coming. It’s so wrong. This really doesn’t suit the Finnish mentality at all. :confounded_face:

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Well, shouldn’t that be pretty standard if one is supposed to get some return? That includes dividends and capital gains. It probably doesn’t differ from Europe’s return level over the last 10 years, and the US S&P 500 has yielded a good 12 percent, considering dividends. I’m not sure if something normal should be a cause for celebration :slight_smile:

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Kai Wu’s article “Surviving the AI Capex Boom” is a thorough analysis of the AI-related investment frenzy and its potential consequences for investors. It examines the scale of AI infrastructure construction, historical benchmarks, company-level impacts, and the risks that arise as the largest technology companies rapidly become capital-intensive.

Summary

1. The AI Infrastructure Investment Boom

At the beginning of the article, Wu describes how AI has reached a new inflection point. The largest US technology companies – the so-called Magnificent 7 (Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, Google, Nvidia, and Tesla) – have initiated a massive wave of investment in AI infrastructure. By 2025, their combined capital expenditure (capex) is projected to reach nearly $400 billion, and according to McKinsey, total AI-related investments could exceed $5.2 trillion over the next five years.

Exhibit 1 (“AI Investment Boom”) illustrates this development: AI investments have grown sharply since 2020, with growth accelerating particularly after the launch of ChatGPT.

The markets have so far reacted positively to this investment wave. For example, Oracle’s stock rose 36% after the company announced it would build data centers for OpenAI, and CoreWeave’s stock tripled after its IPO. Valuations of AI-related companies reflect great optimism for future growth.

However, Wu points out that return expectations may be unrealistic. According to Bain’s calculations, AI data centers would need to generate $2 trillion in annual revenue by 2030 for the investments to be economically justified. Currently, however, the total revenue from AI is only about $20 billion – a hundredfold increase would therefore be necessary. Companies are struggling with the practical utilization of AI, and even ChatGPT has not yet managed to significantly monetize its user base.

Wu draws a direct parallel to the 1990s telecommunications boom, when companies like Global Crossing and AT&T invested over $500 billion in fiber optic networks. As was the case then, there is now also a risk of overbuilding and oversupply of capacity, which could lead to price collapses and weak returns for years to come.

2. Market Concentration and Vulnerability

In the next section (“AI-Driven Stock Market Fragility”), Wu examines how the AI theme has begun to dominate the entire stock market. According to JPMorgan, AI stocks have accounted for 75% of S&P 500 returns, 80% of earnings growth, and 90% of capital expenditure growth since the launch of ChatGPT.

Exhibit 2 (“Top-Heavy Stock Market”) shows that the Magnificent 7 now accounts for over 30% of the S&P 500’s total weighting, a higher concentration level than at the peak of the dot-com bubble in 2000. This makes the markets vulnerable: if AI investment return expectations disappoint, the impact on the entire index and the economy could be significant.

Wu notes that AI investments are currently so large that they practically support US economic growth. Estimates suggest that AI-related capital expenditure has accounted for up to half of the country’s GDP growth over the past year. This makes the economy and investors increasingly dependent on the success of AI projects.

3. Historical Comparisons: Capital Cycles

Wu expands his analysis by comparing the current AI boom to previous technological investment cycles, such as the railroad boom in the 1800s and the internet infrastructure boom in the 1990s.

Exhibit 3 (“Tech-Led Investment Booms”) shows that, relative to GDP, AI investments have already surpassed the internet’s peak and are approaching the level of the railroad era. When considering the faster obsolescence of AI hardware (e.g., GPU upgrade cycles), the current boom is even more intense than historical benchmarks.

Exhibit 4 (“Railroad and Internet Bubbles”) illustrates how stock prices during these eras first rose sharply but then collapsed when oversupply and poor profitability became apparent. Wu refers to the so-called “capital cycle” theory, according to which investment booms often lead to oversupply and weak returns when demand fails to keep pace with supply growth.

4. Empirical Evidence: Capital-Intensive Companies Underperform

Wu supports his claims with extensive empirical data. He demonstrates that companies that grow their balance sheets or invest heavily in physical infrastructure yield weaker stock returns on average.

Exhibits 6–10 show that companies with high investment growth have historically underperformed across all sectors and geographical regions. This holds true in the United States, Europe, and Asia.

5. Risks and Transformation of the Magnificent 7

Wu proceeds to examine the Magnificent 7 companies in detail. Over the past ten years, these companies have generated an average of 27.5% annual returns and created over $23 trillion in shareholder value.

Exhibit 13 (“Magnificent Dominance”) shows how they have far outpaced the rest of the S&P 500. Their success has been underpinned by an “asset-light” model – a business based on intangible assets such as software, brands, and network effects.

Now, however, the situation is changing. Exhibit 15 (“Magnificent 7’s Asset-Heavy Transition”) shows that their capital intensity has risen from 4% to 15% of revenue since 2012. Meta, Microsoft, and Alphabet are already spending 21–35% of their revenue on investments – more than the average global energy company or even AT&T at the peak of the telecom bubble.

Wu warns that this transformation is turning them into “new-era utilities” – companies that tie up vast amounts of capital and whose rates of return decline over time.

6. Weakening Fundamentals and Financial Risks

Exhibit 19 (“Magnificent 7 Free Cash Flow”) shows that free cash flow has already begun to decline due to AI investments. Furthermore, “circular financing” phenomena are emerging, where companies artificially fund each other: for example, Nvidia invests in OpenAI, which in turn buys Nvidia’s chips.

Wu notes that while the Magnificent 7 remain highly profitable, their increasing depreciation and potentially overly optimistic assumptions about the lifespan of data centers could weigh on earnings for several years.

7. “AI Prisoner’s Dilemma”

At the end of the article, Wu describes the AI competition from the perspective of classical game theory. While it would be rational for companies to curb their investments and maintain their current oligopoly, no one dares to fall behind. Everyone fears that a competitor will win “all the markets” through AI. This leads to a “prisoner’s dilemma”, where everyone invests too much – even if it destroys collective profitability.

8. Conclusion

Wu concludes the article by stating that while AI is technologically transformative and productive in the long term, investors should prepare for the risks of overheating and overbuilding. Historically, similar capital cycles have led to weak returns and market corrections.

His recommendation is to diversify investments and seek beneficiaries of the AI ecosystem that do not require massive capital investments – for example, software, service, and data companies that can leverage AI without heavy infrastructure costs.

[/details]In summary: the AI boom in many ways resembles previous technological bubbles. While AI will revolutionize the economy in the long term, in the short term, investors may face overbuilding, weakening returns, and market instability – especially if the investments of the Magnificent 7 do not yield the expected results.

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