Nokia as an investment (Part 4)

Observations on the First Quarter Report and Conference Call

1) Clear areas of growth in Q1 despite modest total growth (4% at constant exchange rates)

  • Optical Networks: 20% organic growth
  • AI & Cloud: +49%
  • Critical Enterprise and Defense Solutions: +19%
  • Technology Licensing: +10%

2) Q1 orders on an upward trend

  • €1 billion in AI & Cloud orders vs. €350 million in revenue (book-to-bill ratio ≈ 3x), indicating strong backlog building. This can be compared to the full-year 2025 AI & Cloud order estimate of €2.4 billion (averaging €600 million per quarter).
  • Group book-to-bill ratio is >1, and clearly over 1 in the Network Infrastructure business.
  • Hotard stated that lead times from order to delivery for optical products are typically 12–18 months (somewhat shorter in IP networks). This means a significant portion of recent orders is yet to be delivered, supporting revenue visibility extending partly into 2027.

3) Guidance and market expectations raised significantly

  • NI growth: 6–8% → 12–14%
  • Optical Networks + IP: 10–12% → 18–20%
  • Hyperscaler investments (2026): $540bn → $700bn
  • AI & Cloud market compound annual growth rate (CAGR 2025–2028): 16% → 27%

4) Additional investments in the San José factory

  • Demand is growing so substantially that Nokia is increasing its investments beyond the planned levels.
  • Justin Hotard: “I think one thing we may need to clarify if we haven’t clarified it before. Regarding Fab 2, when we shared that in November, we talked about Fab 2 being able to meet the requirements of the guidance we provided, and that there is additional capacity beyond that. We aren’t making any announcements about additional production capacity at this time, of course, but I would think of it this way: in the previous guidance, there was extra capacity and the ability to build. I would assume if you weave the conversation together, I’ll do it for you. We are making additional investments. That probably means some of what we’re doing there is investing in the deployment of Fab 2 at scale.”

5) San José InP factory progressing on schedule

  • Production will begin in 2026, with more significant impacts visible after 2027. This is crucial for capacity and cost-efficiency. The new factory represents up to 20 times the capacity for InP (Indium Phosphide) components compared to the current Sunnyvale plant. It is also worth noting that the 2026 guidance depends very little on the new factory, as Hotard stated: “In reality, the second factory is only a fraction of the 2026 plan. It is much more relevant in the longer term.”

6) Infinera integration is ahead of schedule

  • Both the realization of synergies and operational integration appear to be progressing smoothly.

7) IP Networks as a second growth engine going forward

  • Design wins are expected to convert into orders starting from Q2, which could expand growth beyond optical networks. Hotard: “I would say our 18–20 percent optimism currently applies to both sides.” In other words, both optical and IP networks are expected to drive the combined 18–20 percent growth for those units.

8) Growth is mainly volume-driven, not price-driven

  • Margin growth is likely to come later through economies of scale and lower unit costs (factory ramp-up), rather than through short-term pricing.

9) Wireless Networks (Radio Networks) remain a profitability challenge

  • Revenue is stagnating and transparency is limited due to the reporting structure. Given the high margins of patent licensing (Technology Standards), its inclusion in the Mobile Infrastructure segment likely masks the weaker underlying profitability of the wireless unit. Light Reading has speculated that the Core Software and Radio Networks units combined could currently be loss-making.

SUMMARY

Q1 demonstrated the strength of the demand-driven optical cycle and increasing visibility of the order backlog. Current profitability is quite low, but visibility into 2027 and beyond has improved, at which point capacity (San José factory) and scale benefits are expected to turn results into more significant growth in optical and IP networks. The zero-growth wireless networks business is still far from acceptable profitability. Cost savings and the AI-RAN collaboration with Nvidia are intended to change this.

Regarding AI and Cloud growth, the following should be emphasized:

“We now expect our target market for AI and Cloud customers to grow by 27% annually (2025–2028), compared to the 16% we estimated in November.”

An annual growth rate of 27% means the AI & Cloud market will double in three years. Such rapid growth increases the likelihood that demand will exceed supply in at least parts of the market. In such a situation, customers cannot rely solely on their current suppliers but must expand their supplier base. Here, vertical integration (InP, in-house production capacity) transforms from a mere cost advantage into a strategic competitive advantage. This improves Nokia’s chances of entering customer accounts where it previously would not have had a realistic entry point.

Of course, even NI’s sales do not correlate one-to-one with the 27 percent growth for two reasons: 1) Fixed Networks do not participate in this (but Optical and IP networks do) and 2) the current customer base includes a lot of telecom sales that do not fall under AI & Cloud sales. For this reason, according to Hotard, NI’s target market grows by 14% per year while part of the market is stagnant and another part is red hot. Gradually, as the share of AI & Cloud sales increases, NI’s average target market growth rate will creep closer to the 27 percent level. As NI’s growth profile strengthens, its margins may also strengthen in a situation of strong demand.

At the beginning of the year, Nokia’s investment story was largely based on AI demand and related growth assumptions. After Q1, this is supported by measurable evidence: clear backlog growth, raised guidance, and a significantly strengthened outlook for target market growth.

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Hi, at the same time Inderes is recommending a sell with a target price of 6.00 EUR, updated 24.04.2026. The same undervaluation has been present in previous months. If I had followed those views, I would have been shoveling losses.

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Inderes apparently bases its price targets on near-term forecasts, which protects against overshooting if positive scenarios do not materialize. The downside is that during major turning points like the current one, this approach inevitably reacts with a delay. On the other hand, a more forward-looking approach (such as CFRA’s) prices in structural changes in advance but involves more uncertainty.

Ultimately, it is a matter of risk profile: whether one seeks to minimize risk or is prepared to take a view on what the earnings structure will look like in 2–3 years. For me, the latter is the obvious choice in this situation, as Nokia’s development direction in optical networks and IP looks exceptionally strong with clear milestones. The Q1 communication significantly bolstered my confidence in Nokia’s positive earnings turnaround, driven by AI and cloud investments.

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There is a signal that, at least in my opinion, inspires confidence more than anything else. Namely, that top management is buying shares. Large quantities of shares. With their own money.

There are, of course, restrictions on when insiders can trade. At least the latest report is now public and no longer an obstacle. I hope to see some large transactions next week. Come on now Hotard, Saghal, Heard, Ihamuotila and all the rest of you. Show how much you believe in yourselves and buy Nokia :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:!

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Ihamuotila bought shares to mark his chairmanship. If I remember correctly, Hotard also bought at some point from a waaaay lower level. This, of course, was part of his CEO requirements. On the other hand, Heard sold at below 6 euros. Saghal, meanwhile, has sold his incentive shares pretty much every year, or at least almost.

I don’t think any signal can be drawn from those in Nokia’s case.

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Indeed, the signals are likely to be found elsewhere, still…

Well, on the edge of all this ongoing hype, a bit of this kind of snowflake, as a cooler:

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One more chapter as a highlight:

“We now expect our AI and cloud services customers’ target market to grow by 27% annually (2025–2028) compared to the 16% we estimated in November.”

A 27 percent annual growth means that the target market will DOUBLE in three years. The acceleration of market growth increases the likelihood of supply constraints, making it difficult for current market players to fully meet demand. In this situation, vertical integration (InP, own factory capacity) becomes a competitive advantage, not just a cost factor. This, in turn, improves Nokia’s chances of acquiring customers who, with slower growth, would have relied on their usual suppliers.

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Let’s include some numbers here, generated by AI. The positive side for Sunday. I left out Bear. AI offers an alternative: “hyperscalers do it themselves.” That’s a risk for Nokia too. In other words, big players keep the “strings” in their hands and put equipment manufacturers into competition. If this “bull” view materializes, Nokia’s next few years will go according to management’s forecasts.

:receipt: Bottom line Realistic range 2028:

Revenue from data centers: €2 → €5 billion

Share of Nokia: 10% → 20%

Operating profit impact: +20–40% (in a bull scenario)

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Simplified:

Base case: good additional business

Bull case: one of Nokia’s most important growth engines

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Tipranks - Tipranks - Sat 4/25, at 7:38 AM CDT

In a report published today, UBS’s Francois Xavier Bouvignies maintained a “Hold” rating on Nokia and a price target of 5.50 euros.

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I suspect this is a case where UBS is effectively advising to sell, but diplomatically sticks to a “hold” rating to avoid potentially burning bridges with Nokia, which may be a client of the bank in certain contexts.

The brief reasoning I found seems very focused on the “here and now,” where potential future earnings improvements are not significantly taken into account:

The Swiss bank UBS has maintained its neutral rating for Nokia shares and set a price target of 5.50 euros. The network equipment provider’s quarterly revenue fell short of consensus estimates, while its operating profit (EBIT) exceeded them, Francois-Xavier Bouvignies wrote on Thursday.

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The idea of “avoiding burning bridges” has hardly been relevant for years, or even decades. For example, Goldman Sachs only recently raised its price target, which had been one of the lowest among all analyst forecasts. With companies of that size, bridges to the target of the analysis are built or burned at the broader “corporate finance” level; or so say those who know the industry. It sounds more like the analyst is trying to hedge their bets because they lack the confidence or are too uncertain to “go all in” on their view.

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Be that as it may, I think credibility takes a real dive if a “neutral” rating is touted while the share price is clearly more than 60% above the target price. Hard pass.

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Found a good link on Reddit

Especially that billion-euro order during the quarter

The Number That Changes the Read

The most important number in Nokia’s quarter was not the 4% constant-currency sales growth for the group.

It was 49%.

That was the growth in sales to AI & Cloud customers. Management said those customers now account for 8% of group sales, booked EUR 1 billion of orders in the quarter, and helped drive 20% growth in Optical Networks

And when you also remember the new products launched at OFC, there might be even more orders on the way :grin:

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Last year, AI & Cloud orders totaled EUR 2.4 billion, and this year, the first quarter alone saw EUR 1 billion. This means an approximately 67% step-up compared to last year’s average pace. In Q1, AI & Cloud revenue was EUR 350 million, resulting in a book-to-bill ratio of nearly 3.

The key question is: how large is Nokia’s AI & Cloud order book and when will it convert into revenue? Based on the Q1 analyst call, a significant portion of the orders is still pending delivery. Lead times are particularly long in the optical segment:

Felix Henriksson, Associate Director in Equity Research

0:38:57

Yeah. Just a quick one. I’m not sure if I missed it already, but can you just comment on how long the lead times between getting the order to actual revenues in optical are at the moment? Just trying to get a sense of these EUR 1 billion incremental AI and cloud orders for Q1, whether or not those will already support 2026 or more so for 2027. Thanks.

Justin Hotard, President and CEO

0:39:19

Yeah. I don’t think we gave you a specific one, Felix, but I think dimensioning probably for the broader demand that we see is like, in the optical space is 12-18 months. As you know, there’s always exceptions in these things where some things might be sooner, depending on the specific product. That’s probably a good way to think about the broader lead times we’re seeing today.

0:50:55

…IP is a little bit shorter, but I would say there’s parts of that supply chain that have constraints, and so obviously we work closely with customers on forecasting and planning. as we said, the only thing we register are the actual purchase orders themselves. That’s what you’ll see translated to orders.

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I have to say, exactly that, and that 27% will climb even higher. But I’m looking forward to seeing what happens.

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One headline transaction is Nvidia’s $1 billion purchase of Nokia shares at $6.01. This is far from a passive financial play. For Nvidia, the investment in Nokia is explicitly tied to joint product development.

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The video title tells you what is being discussed with @Atte_Riikola.

00:00 Why Nokia has tripled

01:55 Nokia’s Infinera acquisition

03:27 “Show me the money”

08:15 Sell recommendation

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STOCKHOLM (Nyhetsbyrån Direkt) Jefferies raises its target price for Nokia to 10.70 euros from 8.80 euros. The buy recommendation is reiterated.

This is stated in an update.

The stock closed at 8.95 euros on the previous trading day.

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