Inderes Coffee Room (Part 6)

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This is absolutely true. Finns’ money circulates (and some of it ends up in work that produces nothing), but the equation lacks the growth of gambling problems, which in turn costs society.

Finland has the fifth highest rate of gambling in the world. With a licensing system, it would be easier to address advertising and regulation.

As a customer of international gambling companies, it is possible, for example, to state that I have a gambling problem, please delete my account, and never allow me to open one here again. Veikkaus does not issue such lifelong bans to anyone. Instead, at a store or kiosk, a salesperson might ask if you want a line of Lotto.

For Finns, these grotesque supermarket casinos are commonplace, but elsewhere in the world, such things do not exist. Addictive gaming machines are placed in arcades.

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Inderes Forum Christmas Polka

There’s fundamental analysis, technical analysis, rich and poor portfolios at Nordnet
There are rises, falls, deceptive jokes from Mister Market
And falling knives gleam competing on the snow
When the forum folk head for the celebration, you probably know
For it’s Christmas now, and it’s Christmas now, and it’s Christmas again
Veterans, challengers, champions enjoy the peace on earth
And the fluffy pizzas baked by the CEO are ready in the barn
Soon everyone will arrive from their hiding places to celebrate Christmas

In portfolios, Noksu and Forza and Kuutti, in bumtsibum crypto, the Horn of Hell (Hornan tuutti)
The tubs and buckets are full of losses, the funds and outsiders have to pay the fiddles
Rookie Verppu made memes, while Johannes and Aaro already opened the cells
Everyone just join the fun and eat pizza, 'cause it’s Christmas

Timontti and Nivala and Jarnis and Jaska have arrived at the barn
Seppo and Eka have now paused their epic debates
Emma and Kaisa invite people, lighting the path
Masse has also returned to challenge with his Christmas nuts
Now Pipsa and the pig arrive from the sty with domestic medicines in their mouths
Old Feki has twenty-six new messages
On the sauna bench, Kissa purrs and twists its whiskers
And Nukuttaja’s Doll (Nukuttajan Nukke) chirps contentedly on a branch

Caribou and Naakka and Twitter echo, Ukraine presses on, soon Putin will be dead
Nahlroos and Kimi and Aili and Kalle, when the gel-hairs (geelitukat) defecate, just put your hand under
Outside, sleet lashed on the gutter as Walker and Mauri dragged their money bags
Everyone just join the fun and eat pizza, 'cause it’s Christmas

Perttu and Incomppi sank into the crowd like a sock, paper cups were drunk to just the perfect seam
KuHa, Vodel, Tornio, Heiskanen burst out laughing, and Telemaster sang odes to stonks
In the whirl of dance, bull and bear, Lepikkö was already sewing shorts for the Emperor
Everyone just join the fun and eat pizza, 'cause it’s Christmas

DayTrader and Lexus and Viljo keep trading, Arimatti raves in Stockmann’s gear
Atte and Sauli and Macro-Marianne, Kinnunen’s chatter is lost beneath the hubbub
Eki was still refining the shapes of reports, the monkeys were peering at the forum’s code
Soon we’ll hit targets together and eat our hats, but it’s Christmas now

Melody:

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Very good @Kale-possu! Here’s one from a couple of years ago, almost topical, funny nonetheless. :slightly_smiling_face:

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News always lags a bit behind market reactions. While the tabloids wonder how the “my money is enough” part was cut from the end of the ad jingle, on Saturday morning at Prisma, there are already at least 15 higher-quality tasting stations surrounded by old folks.

The sorrow is wiped away when the sausage pieces sizzle in the pan and a good dollop of butter as a chaser in the midst of cold capitalism. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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Huh, almost 12 hours in bed and I got up for a moment. A terrible headache, I guess I’ll be mostly out of here today.


Good discussions and a nice weekend to all! :slight_smile:

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Oh, if only we could see this performed by Inderes’ band. It would surely become a classic, played in forum members’ homes every Christmas :heart:

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This is going to be a complete coffee break rant, so skip it if you’re in any kind of hurry.

I’ve been brooding over this for a long time, but since I can’t articulate it logically in my head, nor find answers to my thoughts, I’ll try to write it down in a “sensible” way. Let’s start with the fact that I’ve always found life somewhat frightening, sometimes incredibly heavy, and at times quite frustrating. One day, when I realized I was approaching 30, it was initially a shock, because my life is still very much unfinished and I haven’t completed everything. But then my thought turned around: thank you, I’m ALREADY 30! When I noticed how quickly human life passes, it somehow triggered a sense of peace of mind. Or rather, that it just chugs along, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

So I welcome aging with full joy. Another 30 years and I’ll be quite close to retirement age, and all problems will be solved, the children will have grown up, etc. This is the illusion, all problems will be solved! Now I want to hear from other forum members: do problems, stress, and sleepless nights disappear as you get older, or is this just some survival illusion I’ve created to get through day after day? How do all future plans, dreams, basic caveman desires, temper tantrums, great feelings of joy — do these fade with age? Or is a human always a human, until death? Or does some kind of peace gradually replace everything with age? I know I’m taking an enormous risk by trying to figure this out, but I have to know the truth.

I somehow conclude that problems diminish with age. Firstly, as you gain more experience and overcome all sorts of challenges, your skin thickens, so to speak. Secondly, I would assume that financial worries also disappear with age, if one knows how to accumulate wealth and save. And thirdly, I would say that as there are fewer and fewer years ahead, an “I don’t care” feeling inevitably starts to emerge. What does it matter how I fared in life if the grim reaper is already knocking at the door? Phew, I could ramble on and on, but let me ask you wiser ones: did any of this text make sense? What do you think about these thoughts?

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You may be looking for peer support for a stressful situation. I’m sorry, but age doesn’t alleviate all that burden. With children, things change so that your worries or joys are your children and grandchildren.

Of course, if you’ve managed your work and financial matters well, then one big thing is no longer nagging at the back of your mind. It’s nice not to have to go collect bottles when, for example, the washing machine breaks down.

It’ll get better, and if not, it’s better to seek help sooner rather than later.

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I admire the optimistic attitude that you’re around thirty and imagine you’ll ever reach retirement age :+1:

And as mentioned above, if you’re planning on having children, your own age will quickly be forgotten, and you’ll only remember the child’s age. Furthermore, all other sources of stress will be more related to the child’s matters than your own. At least, that’s how it was for me.

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I think the reason for this became clear. I’m feeling much better at a rapid pace.

Sometimes on Saturdays or at the beginning of a vacation, I “get sick,” meaning my head hurts and I lie on the bathroom floor. My work stress often manifests in this way, and in my opinion, in a very strong way.

I was in bed for about 12+2 hours and now I’ve been at the computer for a while. I’m monitoring how I feel, which is much better than a few hours ago, but I’m still feeling a bit sluggish.

My job is not stressful and my work problems are not stressful. I’ve always been prone to stressing about things that most people don’t stress about so much. In itself, the workload doesn’t bother me, but I’m not at my best with challenges or problems.

My parents have often managed to cut down my stress, or more experienced colleagues, when they’ve noticed me stressing. Thanks to them for that. I’ve now taken on my stress, hoping to get it generally under better control.

My stress is often reduced by the Coffee Room and the forum in general. The gym and exercise in general are a big help with these problems too. :slight_smile:

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Sounds like a classic feeling of inadequacy.

Remote work doesn’t suit my job at all. Within my own company, remote work has severely messed up work quality. I don’t know how much of this involves people from different levels (two or three layers). Some can channel the energy spent on commuting into work quality. For some, it has no effect, and some are completely lost. The latter group has probably also become confused over the past couple of years about how much they should be accomplishing. These kinds of cases have started appearing in our company too.

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Yes, aging largely affects things the way you think it does.

You accept yourself exactly as you are and don’t need to be more.

You know how to relate to others and their feelings better, as you understand cause-and-effect relationships more clearly.

And many things you consider important are simple and quite easily attainable.

But especially for insomnia, you should seek professional help.

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Germany continues on its tried and tested path. First, they sold a port and then telecommunication networks. What could possibly go wrong? These deals with authoritarian states haven’t gone awry before, have they?

https://twitter.com/thorstenbenner/status/1598621581793792000?s=20&t=JmvhpaL2t9e2chxAFgq4uA

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Of course, in life there are always worries and sorrows, whatever your age, as well as future plans surely until the moment of death. The attitude does change to how one perceives things that one ultimately cannot influence, in other words, in a “so what” style. The passing of time always seems to accelerate, and a year feels much shorter than when one was younger. It’s just Christmas again, where did the year go so fast? One notices the passing of years best and most poignantly in the growth of children. If only one could and had the time to enjoy those toddler years in the role of a parent, but back then it always felt like there was too much rush and fatigue. Soon you realize those little munchkins are first graders, a few years later you realize that, oh, even our youngest is already in middle school. It’s then, at the latest, when talk of moving out of the home begins, that you notice your own “best before” date approaching. I don’t think I’ve ever stressed too much, but still, depression hit me hard in the spring of -21. I can’t even say why, though I’d had symptoms since 2012, and I unnecessarily delayed seeking help. There’s no point in being afraid of life, you just take whatever comes your way. Perhaps it’s not worth setting the bar for your own life too high, then it’s easier to overcome it and achieve successes. You also have to learn to say no; it took me too long to realize that I was thinking too much about others before myself.

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Exactly.

Comparing yourself to your neighbor, colleague, and comparing your stock portfolio to indices and other model portfolios → trash these things and compare yourself to yourself :metal:

There’s always someone else who’s handsomer, richer, and even has a prettier wife/husband/or-whatever-these-are.

Good luck to everyone. You shouldn’t take yourself too seriously, and an old saying is a good life motto: “Chin up and towards new disappointments.” :heart:

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These reflections of yours are truly at the heart of the matter when considering the purpose of life.

Your writing made me ponder my own life situation now and recall that phase when it felt like nothing was enough – unless I postponed my own dreams a little further.

Your current life stage; hurry and worries, a feeling of inadequacy and the feeling that you don’t get or have time to fulfill your own dreams.

Such a familiar feeling for those currently living and having lived the everyday life of small children.

Constant rush - no time for one’s own hobbies, no time for one’s own dreams, no time for one’s own thoughts.

No time for sleeping. No time to do what one would like. It feels as if real life is elsewhere and one is just performing one’s own life.

Things often don’t go exactly as you would hope. So many variables come along the way. But do things at least most often turn out for the best?

You might gain some certainty about this as the years accumulate. There will be moments of survival and realizations that success can be achieved through many different paths.

The time for your own pursuits will still come, when the children start to be sufficiently independent. Although, once your youngest has exceeded 15 years of age, they no longer need constant active presence, but alertness nonetheless.

And even when the offspring start to manage entirely on their own, different worries begin - about them, their children, and just about everything. What all can one worry about? A person is always a person, human until their death.

I have learned to think that now that the children are starting to be on their own, the most important thing is that I feel I have been sufficiently present in their daily lives.

Satisfaction at this age, when children are starting to be on their own, is enhanced by feeling that one’s own life is meaningful.

Doing meaningful work.
Still getting to live alongside one’s children and help them on their terms.

Learning to enjoy having time for oneself after workdays. Learning to enjoy that no one needs you. Learning to enjoy idleness. Learning to fill one’s free time with meaningful activities. Still dreaming big enough, so one can achieve small dreams.

Learning to trust that the lives of one’s loved ones flow on their own. Learning to accept that one cannot influence everything.

Perhaps with age, one has learned that no one can be perfect as a parent, spouse, friend, employee, or in any other role. Admitting to oneself that this is good enough.

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Let’s remind everyone here again about Inderes’ traditional (this is at least the second year) Christmas Kettle (Joulupata) fundraiser. Last year, a nice sum of over €20,000 was raised for a good cause. Could we reach the same or a better result this year?

Collection link:

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