Inderes Coffee Room (Part 11)

A subsidiary of Constellation Software acquired GlobalMeet, which is a bit like Inderes’s Flik+Videosync but American and slightly larger. :smiley: Apparently, it doesn’t have much of a presence around here. Since the acquisition is closely related to Inderes’s industry, even if not geographically, and because Constellation is an interesting company, I’m sharing this here as well.

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An extremely serious discussion topic regarding the future of the forum. :warning:

I’ve heard some grumblings about the forum’s meme thread being filled with AI-generated memes.

The forum already has a policy that AI-generated text-guessing fluff should not be posted on the forum except in short, quoted snippets, because this is a forum where investors help other investors, rather than spamming AI-generated nonsense at each other.

Should the same apply to the meme thread?

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As a lobbyist for the meme thread’s Microsoft Paint party, I support an AI restriction such that image editing shall be permitted. The use of fully generated images should be considered with the appropriate seriousness.

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I am just as patient at the store as I am as an investor. I hate self-service checkouts, which is why I never use them; instead, I always want to interact with a cashier, even if it means queuing for longer.

Why? Because it’s a learned habit that doesn’t cause me any headaches, and I don’t see it as a problem. It’s a joy to deal with a real person at the checkout daily; I wouldn’t get the same vibe from the pre-recorded female voice of a self-service machine, and I accept the queuing itself with composure, even if it takes longer. If I can also choose a checkout with the most attractive cashier possible, then all the better. :smiley:

I do the same thing myself, and it really is surprisingly entertaining. :smiley: Since queuing and waiting don’t bother me and I even do it gladly, it’s entertaining to pay attention to the expressions, outbursts, and sighs of other people in line—even childish behavior at times. It’s strange that often these impatient people specifically choose to queue, even though there wouldn’t be a line at the self-service checkouts. I often wonder what kind of investor a person like that would be…

It takes all kinds, even when it comes to checkout behavior, but that too is just a strength!

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Hate to ruin a good hype with facts…

Character count.

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If a user’s only contribution to a meme has been writing a prompt for image generation, then in my opinion, it’s not a meme. As @Akee wrote, once edited, it’s acceptable.

Of course, the editing can also be done with AI…

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AI-generated memes can be good or bad. In my opinion, the line is “low effort”. Image generators are making it easier and easier, and if you don’t put in any effort and your joke is weak, it might be the kind of thing that isn’t worth posting.

As for the AI-generated memes on the Inde forums so far, I personally think maybe 15-20% were worth posting and the rest was an abuse of defenseless datacenter GPUs…

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What is the purpose of the meme thread? To entertain the forum readers, I suppose?

If you get an idea for a meme and it can be conveniently generated with AI, why should it be banned? What harm does a spot-on meme (created with AI) do to the readers or this forum?

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It is, at the very least, unfair that some people can post a suitable meme—be it falling face-first, i.e., a faceplant—just by typing ‘face plant image’ into ChatGPT. While others have to go all the way to Google, a meme generator, or a GIF generator to type in that ‘face plant’.

But more seriously, a large portion of AI-generated memes are relatively low-quality, and they also lack nostalgia since they aren’t some iconic scene from an animated TV series.

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Now if you believe ( :wink: ) the US market will rise eventually, this would be a great opportunity to start investing there with euros.

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Generic AI slop images are admittedly quite boring, and the humor often doesn’t even come across properly.

However, it would be a bit harsh to flag everything that AI has touched (this identical discussion was likely had when considering the use of AI on the forum in general).

AI is, however, very handy for things like editing an image to be funnier, more investment-themed, or more insightful. Is a meme of much higher quality if you dig up some generic template from a meme generator bank and manually add a sentence and a half? Versus prompting some insightful situation with AI or combining images with AI and adding, for example, text or your own edits in Paint on top?

How about this:

  1. Straight-up AI slop, e.g., without proper context or any personal touch, can be flagged (as elsewhere on the forum).
  2. It’s acceptable if actual effort has been put in and the humor comes across well.
  3. Traditional “Paint artisans” should be given more credit (likes) for their effort, even if the joke itself isn’t always that great.

So, there’s probably no need to be too uptight about this either. Those who post bad memes will get their feedback in the form of crickets chirping, and good memes are rewarded with likes.

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Those early-stage, abysmal AI videos are definitely meme-tier, and I’m sure quite a few of them will end up in meme Valhalla at some point :wink:

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If they’re funny, I suppose they belong there. Otherwise, we’ll soon be debating where the line for an acceptable meme is :smiley: I encourage everyone to practice self-moderation of their own content.

A bigger problem is the MAGA fluff from a few users in the USA thread.

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I read the meme thread almost daily. Often, AI-generated memes aren’t very funny, so I end up quickly scrolling to the next one. But what exactly is the problem here? The fact that some memes in the meme thread aren’t funny? Should the forum have a meme police that hands out bans to those whose memes aren’t good enough?

I would understand the discussion if the meme thread were being flooded with AI slop. But in my opinion, we are very far from that; most memes there are still human-made and there aren’t too many memes being posted. I don’t think there’s a need for any additional rules, at least for now. Likes guide meme creation quite well—weak memes don’t really get any likes, so their creators might not feel it’s worth the effort to make them.

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These usually aren’t memes at all but simple caricatures along the lines of “AI, make a drawing-style image of today’s news headline.”

In my opinion, such images are rarely funny; more often than not, they are emphatically bleak, disgusting slop. Humor is subjective, though.

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I’m not really taking a stance on this, but I do miss the memes made by @Sijoittaja-alokas from a few years back; there was no AI fluff back then, that’s for sure :thinking:

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I used this button to find some of the latest particularly liked memes from the meme thread:
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And then to more serious topics :slight_smile:

Here is Juha’s earnings season preview. :slight_smile:

The Helsinki Stock Exchange’s Q4’25 earnings season has started in a cautiously optimistic mood, although economic development in Finland and mostly also in Europe remains weak. The geopolitical situation remains tense and uncertainty is high, but a clear improvement over recent years is still expected in the outlook.

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YOLO into Donut and rocket to the moon? :wink:

Filling in characters here.

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A good rule of thumb when posting a meme could be to ask: are you creating artificial humor by delegating the fun to AI? Authenticity is theoretically impossible to achieve through filtering. It might not make the humor funny, but it is a good filter considering the added value AI provides in terms of production requirements and costs.

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Security of supply is pure rhetoric. We are producing an enormous surplus of food in the EU right now, and there is no reason why our food production couldn’t be handled in the future by France, Italy, Spain, Poland, and Sweden. Having some basic form of emergency stockpile is obviously good, but it is sheer madness to pay a billion-euro pot for the agricultural hobbies of a small group.

There’s also the downside that food is too cheap due to overproduction and government tax subsidies, which has led to overeating and national obesity, which in turn is reflected in ballooning healthcare costs. So, we are effectively paying extra for farmers to make Finns sick with obesity. I suppose it should also be factored into security of supply calculations whether we have enough healthy citizens for various physical tasks required in crises, or whether we let the obesity epidemic spread to American levels before we start addressing it by tackling the root cause :face_with_monocle:

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