Faron Pharmaceuticals - Innovative Medical Solutions (Part 1)

Media literacy also includes the ability to read investment forums like these. Alarm bells should ring when someone states that, in their opinion, Bexi’s success rate as a medicine is five percent, when several analysts and the market are of a completely different opinion. It’s worth mentally reversing it, imagining someone claiming that the success rate is 95 percent, or very high. Are the claims credible?

Or someone claims that if another drug receives marketing authorization, Bexi’s AA marketing authorization chance “goes to zero.” Let’s reverse that again. “Bexi will definitely get AA approval.” Is either credible?

It must be said, of course, that even here, people sometimes specifically ask to “disagree,” and you get what you ask for. For some, perhaps ordered circus entertainment. In politics, too, extremes and the pronouncement of absolute truths appeal to some, and it makes others create memes from the other extremes. Generally, it’s best to try to stay in the middle.

Analysts currently estimate the probability of obtaining MDS marketing authorization as follows:

A) Inderes 50% (Phase 2 is 90%, Phase 3 63%, and final approvals 88%).

B) Redeye estimates the probability to be 40%.

C) Carnegie’s percentage is also 40, as they raise their original 33% according to their report:

“In our view, a strong top-line readout in April 2025, specifically an ORR of 50–60% or higher, should be considered a de-risking event and would support progression to a pivotal Phase III study. In this scenario, we would raise our LOA for Phase II to about 85%, resulting in a total LOA of 40%.”

I don’t know if anyone has specifically estimated the probability of obtaining AA marketing authorization :disguised_face:. AA approval is conditional, meaning it requires confirmations later. It can be obtained with easier criteria than final approval, precisely for difficult diseases like MDS, for which there are no good treatments.

These probabilities of success as a medicine still only concern MDS. Bexi has a significant number of indications to be tested, but it is still too early to assess their success as a medicine. The possibilities in these do not in any way worsen Bexi’s chances of drug approval, but rather increase them.

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Let’s return here for a moment in the middle of the “huge” Easter celebrations. Today is that longer-than-average and more boring Friday.. Well, that’s for everyone to judge for themselves. Juho quipped about Faron’s stock in the autumn with the assessment “long-shot bet”. Hopefully Juho is good at playing long-shot bets and wins often. It would be nice to know if the assessment is still the same. There are different kinds of long-shot bets too. With some, you win more easily, with others the risk is so big that the probability of winning is very small. I certainly understand Juho’s comparison. The risks are big with Faron too. I don’t know how the FDA values things, but my own view is, and I’m trying to think from the patient’s perspective here, that Bex’s good tolerability is a very significant factor. Or would someone want to spend their last months in intensive care or at home feeling unwell. I would put this characteristic as number one. An extension of a few months in survival time is also significant, of course, but it doesn’t differentiate Bex, in my opinion, as essentially as that good tolerability. So there’s that, and nothing else but back to painting eggs.. :hatched_chick:

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Well, in that sense, it’s at least a good comparison in that if successful, it returns the stake x-fold, otherwise pretty much the entire bet is lost.
With the Phase II readout, it seems to have turned slightly towards the bet winning, as one risk decreased.

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Surely, the mere fact that an argument clearly deviates from the consensus cannot make it wrong?

In the stock market, generating excess returns requires a view that deviates from the consensus. If one believes the markets are efficient, then there’s no point (in terms of returns) in stock picking and spending hundreds of hours analyzing a drug development company…

The nature of markets is also that sentiment and company valuations fluctuate between different extremes. Rarely is any company valued at fair value, especially a small biotech.

Regarding probabilities: I have also read those analyses, and those LoA% (Likelihood of Approval) estimates don’t seem to have any deeper wisdom behind them than average statistical probabilities, which have been slightly refined as research progresses. Applying these statistical probabilities directly to MDS (Myelodysplastic Syndromes) leads to misconceptions.

Not a single analyst has dared to take a more in-depth view specifically on bex’s chances of success in MDS.

I myself believe there are several factors (listed here earlier) that lower bex’s LoA% in MDS. And I also believe that the market is pricing in a significantly higher probability. Probably at the 40-50% level.

Let’s turn the thought around again: In MD Anderson alone, there are 16 phase 2 or 3 studies for MDS (some LR, some HR) underway. For simplicity, let’s give them all the same “consensus” LoA% as bex, let’s say 40%. This means that, on average, in just a few years, we will have a handful of new drugs/treatments for this disease, for which no significant new treatment has been found for a long time – wonderful! Or does it sound too good to be true?

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Thanks to Bex’s safety, there is nothing to lose in the marketing authorization and the formation of a new standard of care. There is no reason to reject the marketing authorization and refrain from using it, unless the details after the embargo spoil the results. I don’t believe that anything so negative will emerge, considering the wording of the press release and Juho’s LinkedIn post.

Don’t cling to a “naive belief” in Faron’s own biased statements, when we are only considering the probability that Bex is not mediocre but bad. Everything seen so far suggests that the conference will confirm mediocrity.

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How many applications that meet these criteria were there in total? I can’t quite grasp whether such combo applications are simply so rare that not many of them can be approved. An interesting point for discussion, in any case. And it’s good to challenge whether the consensus has optimistically assessed the probability of success.

Bex is a drug that isn’t very effective on its own. Bex brings cancer to the forefront for other drugs/treatments to eliminate, right? So, is there any other model than to proceed as a combo? And if it improves the efficacy of other drugs without side effects, then it could very well become the eighth drug approved in this way.

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It sounds great that we would have a drug that can be combined with another cancer drug to get increased efficacy without side effects. The idea is not new. However, up until now, when ingredients are added to the cocktail, the side effects increase at least proportionally…

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I started thinking about my own risks yesterday, and I often find it helpful to write down my thoughts so I can refer back to them if needed. To my delight, I noticed that several others have already shared their thoughts on the platform. Excellent!

Drug development is an exceptionally risky field, and it’s absolutely true that most development projects never reach the market. I am especially grateful to @Pohjolan_Eka and @Clark_kent, who share a somewhat brutally realistic picture of the industry, the company, or at least the risks. In my opinion, this is an essential part of forming a complete picture, especially in such a high-risk and high-potential field. My own expertise is not enough to identify all risks, or at least to evaluate them. I can form some kind of estimates, calculate probabilities for upcoming events, and assess the market and its sentiment. Still, I invest, follow, and strive to learn. Occasionally, I am bothered by overly optimistic views, especially if they are not justified. I also notice that I sometimes think too optimistically myself, even though my experiences have shown that it is usually wiser to be a little more pessimistic and suspicious.

In the case of this company, it feels like there are plenty of twists and turns, and the next event almost always has some unexpected (awkward) detail whose existence I didn’t even know about. When assessing risks, one should therefore also consider the risk factor of unsystematic risk - the unknown unknown. Things that one could not predict or even imagine happening until they did. A pessimistic perspective highlights critical uncertainties, from clinical trial failures to financing challenges or competitors’ advancements. These views do not detract from anyone, nor do they diminish the company’s probability of success. On the contrary - critical scrutiny can also compel and pressure the company to be more open or to prepare for concerns raised by owners. Constructive criticism can also awaken the company itself to notice its own blind spots.

Excessive optimism can lead to over-investment or underestimation of risks. A pessimistic review forces one to consider “what if everything doesn’t go as planned?” scenarios, and at the same time forces one to evaluate one’s own exposure. Is your risk-reward in order? What will you do and how will you think if the results next week bring a SKYF (Saatanan Kiusallinen Yllätysfaktori - Damn Awkward Surprise Factor)? Neither the CEO, researchers, nor industry BP professionals can know the final results of clinical trials in advance. Therefore, it is also pointless to take statements, promises, or goals too seriously. Potential, however, can be invested in.

“Biotech makes losses.” That’s clear. The CEO’s role, in addition to conventional duties, is to secure funding. To ensure the best outcome, traditional Finnish modesty (the Jantelagen effect) - “don’t think you’re something, so you don’t seem arrogant” - is not enough. Actions and results do not always speak for themselves. In such cases, one should also be cautious about all timelines and hype, especially those that are not in one’s own hands. Key among these are, for example, clinical trial results, competitors’ clinical trial results, Phase 3 timeline, or partnering. Regarding sales, I think Faron’s own “Jeti Roosteti” has done an excellent job. Conservative sales work (obsequiousness) will not achieve Go-Above-and-Beyond goals. Still, I understand the things that are within the company’s control and the things that are not.

The goal was to partner in 2024. Goals are goals, and now the goal was not met. On the other hand, already in spring 2024, it was communicated that “everyone wants Phase 2 data, and that’s usually what you partner with in Pharma. That’s when you get the most significant deal, and that’s what we want too.” Goals are not promises, but they provide direction, motivate, and help make choices to reach the objective. The next goal is to get FDA feedback, study design, and a partner after P2 results, so that P3 starts first-patient-in Q1/26 (this wasn’t even a promise or necessarily even a goal, but a throwaway comment - once approval is obtained, it usually takes at least 6-8 months before the first patient is recruited). How many drugs has Juho Jalkanen commercialized before? I bet that the company itself is also learning a lot about timelines, pricing, the FDA, and BP bureaucracy, among other things.

One doesn’t need to do significant independent thinking or research to understand that forming a partnership agreement will take time. A realistic estimate is probably 3-12 months.
• 3-6 months: preliminary contract drafts - due diligence. All parties have a duty of care. This also protects owners.
• 6-12 months: final agreements, commercial terms, IP rights, financial responsibilities, joint development plan, etc.

It is realistic to expect a partner at the earliest by the end of the year. It is optimistic to think this will go faster. For example, SOM Biotech (SOM0226) and Corino Therapeutics: Approximately one year passed between the completion of Phase 2 and the licensing agreement, which is a typical time for partnering negotiations. There are faster examples, but in these cases, everything indicates that partnering and financing were well underway. Nothing in Faron’s case suggests this. In hot indications, negotiations can proceed faster. Slowing factors include the slowness of Big Pharma’s internal bureaucracy or a bidding war.

Speed is a positive thing for the stock value, but can at the same time be a negative factor for the deal value. The CEO’s job is to ensure the best possible agreement, even if it means flexibility on timeline targets. Everyone understands that even if an AA agreement and partnering are reached, the commissions from sales are years away. Any upfront and milestone payments possibly received from the agreement are budgeted directly for debts, next indications, research expansion, and securing operational activities - not for dividend payments. The good thing about this, of course, is that financial pressures are significantly reduced. As the story progresses, the stock value will hopefully rise. When is your exit?

In this company, there will always be the next milestone. It is unrealistic to assume that every single milestone will succeed according to targets (timeline and results). It is unlikely that even Faron’s own researchers know the final fate of the drug at this stage. If they did, they would certainly have already invested their own and their close circle’s assets in this.

However, I consider it a positive and significant factor that it is (at least originally) a family business, and almost all of them have a significant stake in the company. In my opinion, this communicates a strong belief in the company’s future, even if some of it has been received in the form of rewards and options. When insiders have their own funds at stake, they have a clear incentive to develop the company long-term and do their best for its success. Here, not only is their own ox in the ditch, but the entire close circle’s ox is in the ditch. In drug development companies, where the path to commercial success can be long and risky, such commitment provides additional confidence that everyone is strongly involved in advancing development programs and making value-based decisions even in difficult times.

Another significant factor I consider is the Scientific Advisory Board, which consists of internationally respected experts in immunology and oncology, as well as leaders in medical research and drug development. The advisory board members collectively have over a hundred years of experience in the biotechnology and pharmaceutical industries, particularly in the commercialization of research and development programs.For a drug development company like Faron, a strong and internationally respected MAB has significant strategic value. This value is not only scientific credibility and trust in the eyes of owners and regulators, but also profound expertise in various stages of drug development, not to mention networking opportunities, risk management, and appeal.

What probabilities of success do you give for your own successful exit?

Happy Easter!

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In my opinion, the method used by BEX, where the human’s own immune system is allowed to attack cancer cells by “marking” them as enemies, is currently the only correct way to develop a “universal cure” for cancers.
It has been discussed here before that people are similar but “different,” meaning one drug/treatment helps one person but not necessarily another.
BEX is well tolerated because it is not a poison (e.g., cytostatics destroy all cells and the consequences are severe) and is, at least for now, the only “universal cure-like” treatment. And when the response rate is 63%, I’m not surprised that JJ is excited because that response rate is really good!
Happy Easter to everyone, both cancer patients and those who have invested in Faron!:sunflower:

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Bexmab study has, however, progressed continuously; it would be concerning if the study’s completion date had been postponed many times

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BEXMAB Phase II trial met its primary endpoint

Many patients are still early in their treatment, which means responses may deepen over time and results are subject to minor changes as data matures

Faron is planning for a Phase III trial, pending U.S Food and Drug Administration (FDA) End of Phase II meeting Feedback

Forecasting usually and always goes wrong, but even so, I predict that the details contain interesting information related to at least:
Allo HSCT
HI, HR(ecovery)

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If, in addition to the now published phase two preliminary results, some other results worsening the situation had been obtained, then which weighs more regarding their publication: a conference’s requirement prohibiting the pre-announcement of presented results or the stock exchange’s disclosure obligation for material information?

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This post by @Pati is good and worth reading. Especially those risks should be kept in mind when investing in drug development ventures.

Ultimately, success is essentially always a binary outcome: either the drug works or it doesn’t. In that case, the downside is always the destruction of the invested capital, regardless of how one has estimated the probabilities of success. Therefore, before investing even grandmother’s inheritance in a stock, it’s worth considering how much your investment portfolio can withstand if drug development fails.

These intermediate points are formed in drug development according to phases, and these always allow for readjusting one’s position. This is probably why “sell-the-news” situations are also often seen around the results of these trials. In my opinion, the sale of A&B seems quite logical, and such a large number of shares simply could not have been pushed onto the market in any other situation. And if that -30% drop felt bad, then it’s probably good to consider if your investment is in the right proportion to what your risk tolerance can handle.

Happy Easter :hatching_chick:

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Stock Exchange’s Obligations. A scientific conference can only strongly recommend certain things, and if you do not follow the recommendations, the conference may not accept the abstract.

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Thanks for the findings again.

This is what’s called fundamental analysis… I translated and explained it so no one’s brain melts.

Biotech cannot be analyzed by just staring at numbers.

Indeed, there would be no point in spending hundreds of hours on analysis and lurking on forums if one hasn’t made a significant investment in the company in question :white_check_mark:

Dual-targeting of myeloid malignancies and their tumor microenvironment with bexmarilimab

This refers to bex’s dual effect in MDS and AML. Firstly, on cancer cells, i.e., blasts, where bex alone induces antigen presentation (against which immunity attacks) and disruption of blast energy production, and secondly, the more traditionally known effect on the tumor microenvironment, i.e., macrophages and soluble Clever-1.

In that doctoral student’s project (not funded by Faron), under Maija’s supervision, bone marrow samples from BEXMAB patients are analyzed before and after bex treatment using single-cell whole messenger RNA sequencing. In plain Finnish, this determines which genes are active before and after, i.e., what bex accomplished. The data is combined with efficacy data, i.e., responses, collected from BEXMAB.

Additionally, a mouse model is used to study leukopenia. It examines how Clever-1 affects the recovery of hematopoietic stem cells after chemotherapy. It is not specified whether chemotherapy here refers to “mild chemotherapy,” such as aza, or another possible future indication, e.g., after conventional cancer treatment, or chemotherapy given for bone marrow transplantation to clear the bone marrow. However, a recovery phenomenon has been observed in BEXMAB.

Those initial phenomena were already presented in the ASH poster, and Prof. Zeidan might say something more about them in three weeks.

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In my opinion, according to these results, the risk has decreased again, which is a good thing.
There has been a risk from the beginning, and it still exists.
A lot of effort is being made here to interpret these more detailed results by speculating and guessing.
I personally don’t find anything particularly alarming in that stock exchange release, where the responses are at a good level and may even improve further.
It’s hard to believe that the results in this release would have been distorted in any way or that some negative bombshell was left unsaid.
I suppose we are now moving towards Phase 3, which is the decisive test of whether this will become a medicine or not.

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I jumped into Faron with a mini-position, starting from a pretty much zero knowledge base, which I intend to grow to a maximum of 1% of the total portfolio value. My own knowledge of the industry is non-existent, and I am practically relying on this forum when building my investment thesis. A binary outcome is probably the case here, but mainly with the thought that something unexpected might arise in Phase 3. As a layman, I don’t really perceive that if a competing drug were to be completed at the same time, it would lead to Faron’s downfall, at least not based on what I’ve read on this forum. The unknown unknown, however, applies to all other investments over a slightly longer (over 5 years) period in these disruptive times, so I can live with that. What remains as the biggest bogeyman is the failure of Phase three. We’re following along and drafting behind the wiser ones.

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Many messages have come in recent days, and to my own eye, it’s glaringly obvious that all positivity and optimism have disappeared from this forum. Clark Kent, among others, is conjuring up threats and risks with numerous messages, and finds supporters. Vino Pino is almost the only one who has maintained some positivity or strives for a relatively neutral attitude.

It inevitably brings to mind the thought of how many from this forum also sold and dumped their shares in this latest collapse. It really feels like many have the need to try to talk the price down behind their message writing.

This stock seems to be such that even one piece of good news, and it rockets upwards, as the fear of missing out starts to awaken again.

Based on the messages in this forum, market sentiment is so low that it can hardly fall any further; the only possible direction is upwards.

Market sentiment refers to the general mood or attitude of investors and market participants towards a particular market. It reflects whether investors are optimistic (rising prices, a so-called “bullish” market) or pessimistic (falling prices, a so-called “bear market”).

Currently, mainly bears are writing messages in Faron’s thread.

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Many small investors may have a good strategy in mind (Faron is developing a cancer drug that is worth x€ with x% probability), but their tactics are so weak that they won’t last past Easter (the share price moved 20 cents → “someone knows something” → now to sell / buy).

There’s nothing wrong if one wants to speculate and make quick profits, but if weak tactics are combined with over-analysis, then hardly anything good will come of it in terms of investing.

I personally try to approach it by looking at the timelines for how long this endeavor (developing the cancer drug) is estimated to take, and I give the company that time if I want a big reward. I admit I’m too weak to invest in such companies too early, when the risks of the project failing are too great for me, and I believe I wouldn’t mentally or financially endure the journey to the finish line. I prefer the current situation, where the success and dilution risk has significantly decreased, but the goal has remained the same. Meaning, the investment has improved.

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A lot of interesting discussion and views have emerged again in recent days and weeks.
It’s nice to read gut-feeling analysis and then views based on deeper expertise.
Pessimistic writing is probably only increased by human uncertainty about how this will turn out and how long it will take until we know.
However, the forum probably has a majority of small investors like myself, who don’t have any particular expertise in the field, but joined originally out of interest and later in pursuit of big gains.
As an engineer, I don’t really understand much about medicine, but around this case, I have tried to educate myself at least enough to somehow keep abreast of what is being discussed here.
I personally interpret fewer numbers and more management appearances, although in this field, that seems to be at least a questionable path. However, I trust my own judgment and will proceed with that.
Recent moves around Faron, as well as Juho’s quite relaxed communication about the business case, are enough to convince me of the investment’s profitability.
In my opinion, this is progressing as it should; the timeline is stretching a bit, but that just happens sometimes.
I have already significantly exceeded a reasonable weight in my portfolio, and I think I’ll pick up even more.
Having my morning coffee even now; it hasn’t spilled on my lap yet, maybe next week already?

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Minds and tongues turn pessimistic and bearish when the stock price dives, as we just saw. It gnawed a little in my own mind too whether this was a “someone knows something” case. Well, it wasn’t.

Another core team member was also very relaxed and in good spirits when I ran into them in a completely different context. Perhaps after getting a break from the phase crunch to relax with some simpler tasks :slight_smile:

I’ll reiterate the basic principle of investing: risk*potential must be clearly in the positive, otherwise it stays out of the portfolio entirely, and if it enters the portfolio, the allocation is then larger or smaller depending on the risk component.

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