Exel Composites

Regarding the order book and its turnover, I could add that it is, of course, also affected by the customer industry-specific distribution. As far as I understand, in the wind power industry, for example, it is not uncommon for customers to place orders that clearly extend beyond the quarterly rule of thumb. In addition, the situations of customers’ own supply chains (e.g., this year’s exceptional circumstances) also affect how far-sighted orders are given to component suppliers like Exel.

The record-high order book at the end of Q2 certainly provides an excellent starting point for H2 and thus for reaching forecasts. In practice, falling short of forecasts would mean a weakening of one’s own delivery capability, an exceptionally long order book structure, and/or a rapid weakening of customers’ end demands and a flood of order cancellations. To my understanding, the order book structure should not be significantly longer than normal. Orders received during the year also do not indicate that end demands would face a significant risk of melting. Thus, the first point is, in my opinion, the biggest threat, although even in this case, losing sleep is not justified based on the beginning of the year.

The beginning of your second question is quite technical, and providing a truly value-adding answer would, in my opinion, require me to know the processes of both pultrusion and alternative manufacturing methods inside out. I think that @Elastomer, who has shown his technical expertise a couple of times in this thread, can answer this point better than I can.

Instead, I can offer my contribution to the second part of your question. The products manufactured by Exel are usually applications tailored directly to customer-specific needs. Their design is long-term work, and the time from the first customer contact to the finished product and its larger-scale production can take several years. From the customer’s perspective, this, in turn, simply means that the material choice has essentially already been made when going to the drawing board (i.e., it’s more about supplier choice than material choice). Together, these aforementioned factors also mean that the costs incurred by the customer changing suppliers can be very high. This, in turn, improves the supplier’s own value chain position and at the same time lengthens customer relationships. Thus, growth in a single customer industry is a result of the well-developed businesses of key customers and Exel’s at least stable relative positions (customers are rarely dependent on a single supplier).

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There is always an alternative to pultrusion. Even today, wings are made that do not contain a single pultruded part. I wrote here earlier that pultrusion allows a lot of fiber (mechanical properties) to be incorporated into the resin. It can be oriented 100% in one direction. This provides an advantage in strength calculation spreadsheets (Excels) and, as a result, allows for larger wings. On the other hand, by using different weaves, fibers can also be well oriented, for example, in the ±45 degree direction in a piece where forces act differently. Another advantage is faster assembly. Ready-made pieces are quicker to place in the mold than loose fibers.

Here’s an interesting link, by the way: https://omnexus.specialchem.com/news/industry-news/siemens-gamesa-recyclable-turbine-blade-000225684?li=61083244&lr=iom21092070&utm_campaign=OM-Industry-NL&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=157617126&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--RdwLlFmk3i-aEVuRcAfgAdsnuJqZlCTGdUCABqbVa_NyvUQDnUGOvL-XZQIHpv9yfC1ZNZgARwpHolBpewxrnf4zsgO3mT6f1WS-KcREYLfUu-KU&utm_content=157617126&utm_source=hs_email

It would be interesting to know how Exel is involved in this. The biggest challenge for composites right now is the difficulty of recycling, as 99.99% of resins are thermosets. It’s very great to see SGRE’s opening move in this game. Small tinkers have always done all sorts of nice things with some grant money, but now something big is being done, and seemingly with their own money. And yes, other OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) are also testing and projecting this all the time. That’s the future.

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Thanks to both of you. What I gathered from this:

  • One could bet on exceeding the year-end forecast.
  • Acquired customers are hard to come by, which in turn makes growth by taking market share more difficult. More justification for Joonas’s 4% growth forecast.
  • Pultrusion is a good technology among others. No customer sector’s boom “floats all boats” and Exel with them; success depends on one’s own actions.
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Here’s a YouTube video from Exel’s competitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsI0i0drik

These are the three areas where pultrusion plays a role. All of them are used by several wing manufacturers, but indeed, all of them can also be done without pultrusion.

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No, my guess about the revenue is right… :poop:

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I forgot about a small sliver of Exel in my portfolio, and as I was wondering about my losses during my Monday angst, I noticed that a quarter of Exel had vanished over the last month. The explanation seemed to be the lowered guidance. Frankly, I haven’t done my homework on Exel, although reading this thread helped me catch up a bit.

Sales seem to be strong, but they don’t know how to price correctly. One would think that pricing is easy to fix and that it should have an immediate impact on profit, but what’s the view on the management’s competence – will it actually happen?

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When selling to the big players in the wind power sector, it’s probably not that “easy.” I suspect that price pressure from that direction will only increase, as turbine OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) themselves are making very poor profits/losses. It’s perhaps the most fiercely cost-competed industry in the world right now, and as I understand it, Exel’s margin challenges have come precisely from that direction.

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I got quite excited about the company after the dip, and I saw an opportunity to jump in due to the correction.

Strong revenue growth, moderately valued, and the wind power side brings significant future potential, the order book is bulging, and so on.

I can’t comment on the cost competition mentioned by Jamon, but quite a few analysts, such as Inderes, still consider Exel’s pricing power to be reasonably good. It’s not a big surprise that costs started to rise now, and certainly, at least partly, that pressure will ease.

Looking at the long-term technical picture, I see at least the possibility that rock’n roll would just be starting in the future. But of course, this requires favorable fundamental development. I have time with this.

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If turbine OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) companies are making poor profits, could it partly be because Exel has pricing power that reflects in their costs? I can’t really comment on this strongly at the moment, but I became interested in researching more.

Inderes 8.12.2020

Exel’s supplied products are typically designed to specific customer needs, which makes the customization level of the offering high. This, in our assessment, provides the company with good prerequisites for capturing a strong value chain position and also creates certain pricing power compared to traditional commodity goods. The downside of the customized offering, on the other hand, is a diversifying production portfolio, which partly makes it more difficult to optimize efficiency levels. In our opinion, Exel’s key strengths are the genuinely global structure of its production network, a good position in customer industries driven by megatrends, and an overall broad industry portfolio.

Exel’s homepage:

How composites are used in wind turbines

Composites, such as fiberglass and carbon fiber, are used as reinforcing materials in several wind applications. Their high strength and stiffness characteristics combined with their low weight and design flexibility make them perfect materials for turbines. You can find composites in blade reinforcements, blade laminates, spar caps, blade root joints, spacers and carrots, for example. Additionally, composites are used in access structures (such as ladders and platforms), as well cable management systems and even as in the generator itself as insultation solutions. We manufacture fiberglass and carbon fiber solutions for all of these areas.

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Well, Exel’s revenue from wind power is probably a few tens of millions of euros per year, so it essentially has no practical significance for the OEMs’ results. If we talk about the wind industry’s supply chain more generally, the entire supply chain tends to operate with extremely low margins. Exel’s microscopic share of the overall production chain could actually be the advantage that allows for better margins, because a giant like Vestas, for example, probably doesn’t focus all its attention on optimizing that specific flow.

Designing for customer-specific needs doesn’t help at all in the wind power sector, because almost all components and other producers also operate that way. Standard components that fit different turbine types are very rare. Turbine manufacturing, on the other hand, is practically always high-volume serial production.

Another future challenge, in addition to profitability, for a small player like Exel, is optimizing cash flow in the industry, and 180-day payment terms are a normal everyday occurrence.

And let me clarify that I was only talking about the fierce cost competition in the wind power sector. I can’t speak for other industrial sectors Exel sells to, but I would assume it’s easier there because those sectors aren’t as crowded and the customer base is likely more dispersed.

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Interesting. I thought the EU would be pumping hundreds of billions in subsidies into wind power and other renewables. You’d think that would increase demand, which in turn drives prices up.

Building materials have had an absolutely insane year, and every operator has to pass on increased prices along the value chain to stay in the game. A middleman can’t just bite the bullet for the entire chain.

If the order book has nearly doubled, then you don’t need to win every deal. Instead, you aim for a level that allows for profitable growth and let the worst customers go to competitors. You can then buy out the competitor with those profits once they run out of cash.

This is how it works in a market economy, but of course, in these “Kela markets” where the public sector pays for everything, there’s a slightly different logic.

The problem with pricing is often that there’s no dedicated person to lead it, and dynamic systems aren’t yet widespread. Instead, the responsibility falls into some gap between finance, marketing, and sales, and some expert updates prices in Excel once a quarter.

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Subsidies go, for example, in Finland to wind power production companies, which are paid for electricity production. Similar arrangements exist in various forms elsewhere in the world, supporting electricity production and the construction of wind turbines, but little support has been given to the manufacturing chain itself. China, however, is a bit of a gray area, and there, state-owned manufacturing companies can receive all kinds of support, which is, of course, a challenge for Western manufacturers operating without subsidies.

In fact, I wouldn’t criticize these at all as “Kela markets,” but rather as an excellent example of a miracle formed by a market economy and a suitable support mechanism. The prices of wind turbines (= manufacturing costs) relative to production capacity have fallen sharply in 10 years, and development continues. 10 years ago, wind turbines would have had no place in the market without subsidies, but nowadays, they are often the most cost-effective option even without any subsidies! Exaggerating, I would say that if the construction sector operated with the same efficiency and competition, new apartment homes would cost half of what they do now :slight_smile:

My point was not to criticize the business, but to highlight its challenging nature, and challenging is not the same as bad. So, I would not immediately replace Exel’s management just because they haven’t managed to negotiate immediate price increases with Vestas and other players ;D They have surely identified the issue a long time ago and are doing their best.

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Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken has significantly increased its ownership. The company has lacked a significant anchor owner, but I’m not sure if this will be one. A positive turn of events in any case.

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Could this research finding explain Exelin’s unbelievably strong stock rally in recent days?
At least that’s what Pyysing speculates on Sijoitustieto (investment information) side.
Nothing has been heard from the company itself or about the improvement of its situation since the negative announcement, so I’m wondering about this rocketing.

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Star portfolio manager Olli Viitikko reveals his juiciest stock picks for 2022 – The list includes eight companies from the Helsinki Stock Exchange Tähtisalkunhoitaja Olli Viitikko paljastaa herkullisimmat osakepoimintansa vuodelle 2022 – Listalla kahdeksan yhtiötä Helsingin pörssistä | Kauppalehti

In addition, this article might have an impact. I can’t see past the paywall, but apparently, Exel was one of the choices.

At least the rise pretty much coincided with the publication of this article, and then these low-volume domestic stocks…

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The familiar story continues, revenue grows and profitability declines :man_shrugging:

The composite manufacturer Exel Composites’ revenue grew to 36.5 million euros in October–December, from 27.5 million euros in the comparable period last year. Factset data’s average forecast from three analysts was 31.8 million euros.

Exel’s adjusted operating profit declined from 2.7 million euros to 1.0 million euros, while the forecast was 1.4 million euros.

“Despite strong growth, the group’s profitability deteriorated as a result of the poor performance of Exel USA in the second half of the year. The weakened profitability was due to the ramp-up of production of a single, high-volume carbon fiber product for the wind power sector manufactured in the USA. Challenges were particularly caused by the recruitment, training, and turnover of labor, which the COVID-19 pandemic has further exacerbated,” CEO Riku Kytömäki commented in the financial statements release.

Q1-Q4 2021 in brief

  • Orders received grew by 21.8 percent to 140.6 million euros (Q1-Q4 2020: 115.4).
  • Revenue grew by 23.7 percent to 134.4 million euros (108.6).
  • Operating profit decreased to 3.7 million euros (9.4) and was 2.8 percent of revenue (8.7).
  • Adjusted operating profit decreased to 6.0 million euros (9.7) and was 4.5 percent of revenue (8.9).
  • Earnings per share were 0.14 euros (0.45).

Guidance for the full year 2022

Exel Composites estimates that in 2022, revenue will be at the previous year’s level and adjusted operating profit will grow from 2021.

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OP.

Good and bad. The bad includes, for example, the revenue guidance, which makes one wonder how significant the problems at the US factory are. Hopefully, management has been cautious, but more information is needed on this matter.

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No new cockroaches found here? :thinking:

Olli Viitikko’s thoughts:

“It’s possible that the difficulties will be short-lived. On the other hand, if one cockroach is found, often another one scurries out shortly after. I consider the stock attractive at these levels, but it requires that the US business gets back on track.”

My own reflections on the CEO’s interview:

  1. According to CEO Riku, the US is progressing in the desired direction. The cockroach extermination and training are underway. This situation is expected to be overcome by spring. How long will this take?

  2. Apparently, increased production costs are being passed on to new deals.
    → This was probably quite clear, that raw material costs still affect profitability?
    This problem will be eliminated in addition to price increases:
    → Apparently, they have one of the best production networks globally in the industry
    → They are now involved in production within India (joint venture)

We’ll probably get Joonas Korkeakoski’s analysis of the situation soon. Joonas, you quizzed Riku excellently. :+1:

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I have been following Exel from the sidelines for a few years, and even owned it after the COVID-19 dip. Verneri asked a very good question in the Roast, something along the lines of how investors can trust that the future is bright, even though the same has been said for a long time (since the early 2000s). In addition, Kytömäki has been at the helm of Exel for a long time, driving that change. I should almost look into the profitability of competitors to form an opinion on whether I am satisfied with the management or not.

Currently, my impression of the company is that it is more like a chip sailing on the waves of the market, under relatively tight pressure (cost pressures, strong competition, a relatively bulk industry), and is unable to achieve long-term high profitability. Temporarily, its earning capacity may improve, but at least at the moment, I do not see the company as a long-term value creator that I would want to ride with. I also do not see short-term upside potential amidst profitability issues.

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