eQ - The most boring money machine

I also noticed yesterday that there was an issue with that and I confirmed the matter with the company.

That +9.9 MEUR is a correct figure and it consists almost entirely of reinvestments of detached income units. That -112 MEUR, on the other hand, is an incorrect figure (I don’t know where they got it from).

So that -56 MEUR is a correct figure for those deferred redemptions paid in April (the 75%).

Generally speaking, the Fund Report very regularly contains errors when it comes to individual product levels. This is somewhat logical when considering what kind of Excel monster the system running in the background is. In addition, companies’ reporting differs somewhat from each other, which further increases the risk of errors.

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Well, this matter would be very simple to solve if fund companies would finally start communicating transparently about subscriptions and redemptions, as well as other key metrics. NAV, GAV, cash, liabilities, and subscriptions/redemptions for 12 months, 3 months, and YTD – that’s all there is to it.

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Sauli’s thoughts on eQ’s strategy work, direction, and new CEO can be watched in a recent video. :blush:

eQ’s year started sluggishly, and short-term challenges weigh on the company. With the appointment of a new CEO and ongoing strategy work, eQ has plenty to consider on how to generate earnings growth again.

Topics:
00:00 Introduction
00:17 Sluggish Q1 result
02:07 Social infrastructure properties and redemption situation
06:52 Thoughts on the new CEO
09:56 Strategy work in progress
13:35 Product offering needs breadth
18:52 eQ’s challenges and turning to the Reduce side
24:22 Valuation not attractive given the risks

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Regarding eQ, there is quite often speculation about potential corporate arrangements.

When eQ’s new CEO pondered in his/her appointment event that eQ’s products could be expanded to the general public, I believe it was a clearly deliberate message from the press conference. At that time, it first crossed my mind whether an eQ-Aktia corporate arrangement might be on the table.

Surprisingly little attention has been given in these speculations to the fact that Aktia’s largest owner, with a stake of slightly over 10%, is RG Partners (in which, to my knowledge, Rettig Group, Janne Larma, and eQ’s Chairman of the Board Georg Ehrnrooth are partners), meaning practically the same ownership entities that own approximately 50% of eQ Plc. So, if I understand the ownership structures correctly, those who own 50% of eQ are Aktia’s largest owner through their joint holding company. Thus, it would not be held up by the largest owners, at least.

At least from an outsider’s perspective, such an arrangement could resolve several issues simultaneously:

  • Aktia’s offering would expand enormously and diversify significantly with private market products
  • eQ’s products would gain a significant expansion to the “general public”, meaning the much-discussed wealth of the baby boomers could be directed into eQ’s products, such as real estate products, PE investments, or in the future, infrastructure
  • at the same time, a significant asset manager would be formed, with the ability to grant leverage from its own balance sheet and offer private banking services

Just some private thoughts from here. I cannot analyze the rationality of such a thing in depth, but there was certainly a reason why RG Partners bought SLS shares about five years ago and became Aktia’s largest owner.

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Do you mean that Aktia would buy eQ then? Why not, but there are a few issues here. Aktia doesn’t have the financial strength to buy eQ other than with its own shares. These, in turn, are not at all in high demand among eQ’s owners. How would this arrangement benefit eQ’s owners? Why would eQ have recruited a new committed leader if such an arrangement were in mind?

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Why do you think Aktia’s shares would not be attractive to eQ’s shareholders, if the shareholders who now own about 50% of eQ have already previously, through their joint investment company, RG Partners, purchased over a 10% stake in Aktia? Why would the same logic not apply to the rest of the shares?

Such an arrangement would be easy to implement as a share exchange with an exchange ratio negotiated by the main owners. Also, Pölönen, given his long banking background, would be quite suitable as the CEO of a large wealth management bank.

And eQ would indeed be a major beneficiary, as its funds would gain Aktia’s full distribution power.

I don’t see this as a bad option at all. It would be nice to hear analytical comments on the matter :blush:

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I’ll give you my opinion, Bullero, as you asked.

-In my opinion, one cannot conclude that eQ and Aktia would be compatible even if they shared the same ownership base. I don’t know why RG acquired Aktia in the first place.

-eQ owners’ ownership in a highly profitable and agile asset manager would be diluted with a weakly profitable bank. Ferrari merging with Renault. I just don’t see this as good for an eQ owner, even if eQ funds got a small boost from a new distribution channel.

-There is also the danger that eQ’s respected asset managers, who are primadonnas, would not like the merger and would vote with their feet. Case Aktia-Taaleri.

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@Karo_Hamalainen has made a video about eQ. :slight_smile:

History repeats its jokes, even if the main characters, settings, and narrative styles of the stories change.

At the Grill, we delve into the book “Richer Than a Bubble,” published in 2002. One of the book’s chapters tells about eQ Online, an online stockbroker that listed on the Helsinki Stock Exchange’s NM market segment in 2000, during the final meters of the dot-com boom.

The chapter is based, among other sources, on an interview with Petri Rutanen, who served as the CEO of eQ Online at the time of its listing. The story of eQ Online is not just a tale of rise and fall, but also a lesson in how to sell a story, how to build strategies, and when to jump ship.

The episode offers the entire chapter of the book, where Petri Rutanen answers the question “what do we learn from this?”. In the verdict, the grill host shares from a current perspective what else can be learned from the story of eQ Online.

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Acumen, in its usual style, was on the ball and spotted this block trade from Wednesday:
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Pölönen now officially has his “bacon in the game” (he used this term himself in the interview). Indeed, the trade was done volume-weighted, meaning at a small premium vs. the current price. One can only say, hats off to this risk-taking/commitment :tophat:

EDIT: The stock exchange releases have now also come out, apparently the sellers are Rettig/Ehrnrooth, not Larma.

If anyone missed it, here is Pölönen’s and Larma’s interview about the appointment information:

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Hats off to Pölönen, yeah! 11.7M€ invested :cowboy_hat_face:

Everyone can still buy 7% cheaper directly from the stock exchange :smiley:

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Speculation about a merger between eQ and Aktia has surfaced from time to time since RG Partners became Aktia’s largest owner. :mage: :magic_wand:

On paper, this equation would make a lot of sense, in my opinion, as we’ve said before. Let’s look at this hypothetical merger from a few different perspectives:

:books: On the product side, eQ has focused on alternatives. Aktia, on the other hand, practically lacks alternatives entirely and has positioned itself largely in traditional asset management. Product side compatibility would be excellent and would offer clear cross-selling opportunities.

:briefcase: On the client side, eQ is fully focused on institutions. Aktia, in turn, is strong especially among wealthy private investors, but Aktia naturally also has many institutional clients and some international clients. Here too, compatibility would be excellent, as the client bases complement each other, enabling cross-selling. In addition, eQ would gain some kind of international channel for its products through Aktia.

:twisted_rightwards_arrows: Regarding cross-selling, I believe that the new Aktia-eQ’s position in traditional asset management would improve with the merger, and this would facilitate the growth of traditional asset management on the institutional side (both have had difficulties here). New sales potential in alternatives would focus especially on Aktia’s private clients. So, regarding the top line, it’s easy to conclude that this would make a lot of sense.

:scissors: On the cost side, the situation is made challenging by eQ’s “too good” cost efficiency. eQ’s cost efficiency is incredibly good, and there’s nothing to trim (quite the opposite). Certain overlaps would naturally exist (IT, offices, administration, etc.), but in the big picture, cost synergies would play a minor role in this arrangement. Another challenge with costs is the differences in personnel expenses. eQ’s salary levels are, at least according to our calculations, among the highest in the sector, and this would naturally be a problem if the organizations were merged. The same applies to eQ’s very generous option programs. Should the salaries of Aktia employees doing similar jobs be raised, or should eQ employees’ salaries be lowered? A “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenario.

:bank: Structural factors. The structure of both companies is pleasantly clear, and neither has significant minorities. Thus, minorities or other structural factors would not cause problems (Aktia’s 20% ownership in Aktia Alexander Corporate Finance would be on the wrong side of the comma in this dance).

:ledger: Ownership structures. To my understanding, eQ’s owners do not have any particular sentimental attachment to the company, and shareholder value acts as the guiding factor for decisions. Aktia’s ownership structure is quite fragmented, and it’s hard to believe that they wouldn’t be interested in a smart arrangement. Therefore, I don’t see ownership structures as an obstacle.

:performing_arts: Cultural factors. In my opinion, this involves the biggest risks of a hypothetical arrangement. eQ has a very entrepreneurial culture, and there is significant internal ownership in the company. Aktia, on the other hand, has experienced a lot of turnover in recent years, and employee satisfaction has also been low (eNPS has been in the negative at its worst). Aktia’s eNPS has improved significantly over the past 12 months, and the new management seems to have initiated a cultural change, which is of course very important. However, it is still too early to say how permanent and significant the cultural change has been. I believe that reconciling two different cultures would be challenging and involve significant risks. For eQ, in addition to the previously mentioned salaries, the risks are also raised by how eQ’s veteran team can be motivated for the next phase in the company’s story (money made, etc.)?

:building_construction: Companies’ need for arrangements? In my opinion, eQ has some pressure to consider various arrangements, as the company needs to get back on a growth path, and organically there is no single silver bullet for this (see the recent eQ video https://www.inderes.fi/videos/eq-uutta-suuntaa-tuloskasvulle). Aktia, on the other hand, has no real need, as the focus is on cultural change and realizing potential. However, I don’t see why Aktia wouldn’t be interested in arrangements if a suitable one comes along.

:new: What would the new company look like then? The new company, measured by 25 billion AUM, would be Finland’s third-largest asset manager (only Nordea and OP ahead). In institutions, the company would be one of Finland’s leading players, and its foothold among private investors would also be strong. At this size, I also believe that more effort would be put into sales in international markets, similar to Mandatum and Evli. With a profit of 130 MEUR and a market capitalization of over one billion euros, the company would be a very big player in the asset management field, and for example, Evli would be less than half of this market capitalization. As I said earlier, the arrangement would not be based on cost synergies, but above all on cross-selling synergies. The realization of these, in turn, requires successful integration, which involves clear risks as noted earlier. Of course, the valuation of this new asset management giant would be quite low on paper (P/E 12x), and it’s certainly a relevant question whether there would be room for it to rise. Could Aktia-eQ escape the low multiples of banks? I give this some probability, especially if the new company’s growth strategy were credible.

:construction: What would the arrangement itself look like then? The arrangement would have to be done as a share exchange (capital requirements), and at current market values, the exchange ratio would be 60/40 in Aktia’s favor. However, there is a huge difference in valuation multiples, and thus, based on the results, the distribution ratio would be 77/23 for Aktia. Here lies a key question mark related to the arrangement. Why would Aktia’s owners exchange a P/E 9x share for a P/E 19x share? Does the merger create enough value for this multiple discrepancy to be swallowed by Aktia? Of course, it is clear that eQ must be priced at significantly higher multiples than Aktia, as bank business multiples are structurally very low (ties up capital, no growth, etc.), but is this difference too big from Aktia’s perspective? I want to remind you that even though RG is playing a double game here, their 10% ownership stake cannot decide anything, and thus the arrangement needs broad support from Aktia’s other major owners.

Here is a rough table of the merger numbers:

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:bar_chart: So, in summary, eQ would most likely be interested in this arrangement, but I’m not entirely sure about Aktia. On paper, the arrangement would make a lot of sense, but one must, of course, remember that those “soft challenges” (culture, etc.) are very significant. Aktia’s acquisition of Taaleri Wealth Management serves as a cautionary example, from which over 80% of employees have left 4 years after the acquisition. If successful, the arrangement would have the prerequisites to create clear value.

Ps, I came across an interesting article from 2019, when @Antti_Jarvenpaa was still working at Alma. A banking license was a much bigger bogeyman in 2019 than it is now. https://www.arvopaperi.fi/uutiset/millaisia-yritysjarjestelyita-helsingin-porssin-finanssiyhtioissa-voisi-syntya-inderesin-sauli-vilen-capmanille-loogisin-kumppani-olisi-taaleri/597d2793-9b4d-4ff6-9914-d164d42eb243

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A couple of news items from eQ yesterday. The commercial real estate fund refinanced about half of its loans: eQ - eQ on toteuttanut eQ Liikekiinteistöt -rahaston osittaiset uudelleenrahoitukset

The loans that were just refinanced would have largely matured this July, and in my understanding, the next major maturity is not until July one year from now. According to the announcement, financing costs are also decreasing, which I assume refers to a reduced margin, and not just a decreased Euribor. The fund had to agree on its previous package at the worst possible time, and this was reflected in the cost of money and the terms. Now the situation in this regard is better.

JLL announced yesterday that eQ has sold one property from each of its two open-ended real estate funds: JLL advised eQ on the sale of two properties in Helsinki Metropolitan Area

With this sale, eQ is approaching a situation where it can pay off the remaining pending YKK redemptions. Regarding the commercial real estate fund, the volume of redemptions is, in my estimation, so large that paying them off is not yet feasible; significantly more properties still need to be sold.

I must indeed appreciate eQ’s proactive approach to redemption payments. The company is genuinely actively trying to sell assets and pay redemptions. In the industry, there seems to be a somewhat too widespread idea that “it is not in the client’s best interest to sell these properties now,” and instead of active sales, they wait.

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Did anyone attend the last real estate fund webinar/Teams meeting? What were the impressions and key takeaways?

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Ilmarinen found a new CEO, and at the same time, Pölönen will be released to eQ approximately 2 months earlier. This is naturally a positive development for eQ, as there are significant strategic matters at hand, and Pölönen’s involvement in the process is desired. Here are my more detailed thoughts on the subject: Jouko Pölönen aloittaa eQ:n toimitusjohtajana syyskuun alussa - Inderes

P.S. My comment was published about 30 seconds faster than eQ’s own announcement on the matter :sweat_smile:

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Seller Chilla Capital S.A. (Larma)

Buyer Fennogens Investments S.A. (Ehrnrooth)

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Article in Kauppalehti about Eq and the new CEO (subscribers only).

A brief summary of the article:

Pölönen’s nearly 12 million euro share purchase surprised – “Almost all-in”

Jouko Pölönen’s decision to move from the leadership of Ilmarinen to become the CEO of the smaller asset manager Eq was surprising in itself, but what made the situation even more exceptional was the way he committed to his new role: Pölönen’s investment company bought one million Eq shares from the company’s largest owners in May – for a total of 11.7 million euros.

It was a market-based transaction in which Eq was not a party, and there were no separate bonuses or incentive packages behind it. Pölönen financed the purchase with his own money and borrowed money, but did not specify the share of borrowed capital:
“A significant amount is, of course, also a loan. In that sense, we expect to be able to create shareholder value and also distribute a very good dividend.”

From many perspectives, this is an exceptional and bold move, especially in Finland, where CEOs’ personal investments in their companies often remain more moderate.
“I wanted to start a new job more from an entrepreneurial basis, and I know that Eq is a very entrepreneur-driven company. I wanted to join in myself,” Pölönen says and adds:
“This is almost an all-in investment. In that sense, I am strongly committed to leading Eq and developing shareholder value.”

Pölönen’s share in Eq rose to about 2.4 percent with the transaction. Although it remains significantly less than the ownership of his predecessor, the late Mikko Koskimies, it is a huge investment for a private individual – and a clear message: the CEO believes in his company so much that he is willing to put his personal “skin in the game.”

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eQ again, less surprisingly, deferred redemption payments for both of its open-ended real estate funds. No exact information on the amount of redemptions was disclosed, so we will have to wait and see for a while.

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It seems that Commercial Properties is practically losing all its equity within a couple of years, because redemptions are accumulating, debt leverage is maxed out, and the quarterly return was -4.2%. It doesn’t look good.

In Social Properties, the situation is slightly better, but no return (Q2 +0.07%) is gained from there either, and redemptions are constantly coming in.

Pölönen will have to pull quite a rabbit out of the hat for the course to turn around.

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I tried to think why not. I don’t believe it’s out of malice, but could the reason be that they don’t want to give information to property buyers about how many items will be put up for sale? This could affect sales prices.

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