Carvana (CVNA) - The Amazon of Car Sales?

Should have opened this earlier and @jaska1 has been pushing so much that we’re getting it started :wink:

So Carvana (Ticker CVNA) is a US company that sells 100% used cars online. I myself have been on board with Carvana as a shareholder for quite some time and have followed the company’s development through that.

What, in my opinion, makes Carvana an interesting investment target?

-They are disrupting the huge used car market, which is extremely fragmented

-Used cars are sold for almost 900 billion annually in the United States, and the largest seller’s market share (October 2020 data) was only a few percent!

-Most car sales are done traditionally in physical dealerships, but online purchasing is growing at a significant pace

-Carvana’s vision is to revolutionize this rigid structure and become the leading car dealer of the digital age, built purely on the terms of the digital world

-Carvana offers a unique buying experience where you buy online, and Carvana delivers your car to your doorstep within a week at the latest. In the meantime, the car has been inspected and examined at Carvana’s own vehicle inspection center. The buyer has a free return policy for the purchase.

-In the United States, car dealerships do not have a very good reputation. Many people hate going to dealerships and fear being scammed. The ability to buy online, knowing the car has been inspected, and being able to return it removes many friction points for the buyer.

-Carvana has grown very rapidly for several years, at over 100% growth rate, although in 2020, that pace won’t quite be reached, especially due to the effects of corona in Q2. But in Q4, it’s very possible that we will return to or get close to that triple-digit growth rate.

-I believe that 2020 will be, in a way, the definitive breakthrough year for Carvana. The coronavirus pandemic has also made buying cars online mainstream, and there is no return to the old ways in sight.

-Carvana is progressing well in virtually all metrics. Of course, the company’s operations are not yet profitable, but there’s a reason for this; the desire has been to invest in future growth rather than optimizing current results.

-Carvana’s model is to proceed market area by market area and continuously increase the number of available cars locally. A crucial part of this is building inspection centers (Inspection Center) regionally, through which customers can be better served.

-Furthermore, these investments create a moat against other competitors who cannot guarantee buyers the quality of cars and the crucial trust that the car they buy has been inspected and reconditioned. This removes one significant friction point from the buying experience.

-Over the next 1-2 years, I believe Carvana will continue to expand into new areas, open more inspection points, invest more in the entire buying experience, and build nationwide brand recognition.

-The company’s founder and CEO, Ernest Garcia III, is a passionate advocate for customer centricity. This is evident in everything the company does and how it operates.

-Garcia himself has a lot of “skin in the game”; he owns 600 million Carvana shares (Yesterday’s closing price was 261 dollars, so a considerable stake is at play…)

-Carvana’s valuation is by no means in the bargain bin. Market capitalization yesterday was 44 billion, and for example, P/S is around a good 20. But I approach this investment case using Brian Feroldi’s and Mats Christiansen’s thinking model: is the company in a market with a huge TAM, and can the company grow for years, even decades, and be a leading player in that market?

I see this as very possible for Carvana, and this is just in the United States; it is, of course, possible to expand in the future, for example, to Europe or even initially to Canada. But the company has consistently stated that the focus is now entirely on the United States, which is sensible because the market is indeed huge and very fragmented. Even the toughest competitors, like VRoom, fit in there well. Additionally, growth options include expanding the product range, for example, by including insurance; however, the company itself has not said anything about this, it’s just my own thinking.

Following this are a bunch of different materials for you to check out if Carvana interests you. I especially recommend listening to Mads Christiansen’s Carvana Q3 earnings review. Mads explains the long-term potential and what kind of moats are currently being built very well.

A week-old interview, Ernie talks about the goal of selling 2 million cars, with subtle hints of triple-digit growth in Q4 between the lines

Ernie’s interview on CNBC after Q3 earnings

Carvana’s latest investor presentation

Carvana’s Q3 earnings data:

Carvana is featured in this podcast discussing Internet business models and building scale. A really good podcast overall; Parameswaran has a strong track record, being one of the first investors in Bytedance (TikTok), among others.

https://www.joincolossus.com/episodes/22392883/parameswaran-internet-scale-businesses

A few excerpts from the investor presentation at the end:

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Seems like a good company. Too bad the price has also grown.

Here’s also a mini-shop that isn’t doing as well as Carvana yet, but is also a fraction of the price. I believe it went public through a merger in October. Customer experiences also seem to be losing out to Carvana. However, I’m bringing this up here so you can research competitors if you want.

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This podcast also touches upon Carvana as a business case. Kamux disrupts the market, but Carvana’s business model is squared.

When they eventually come to Europe, Kamux will be in trouble, as will other operators. In my opinion, Kamux is doing the right things, but a bit too cautiously.

https://www.joincolossus.com/episodes/22392883/parameswaran-internet-scale-businesses

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Carvana is unlikely to be seen in Europe for years to come, as there is still so much of that market left to conquer in the United States. And probably if they come here, it will be through acquisitions :smirking_face: Europe is pretty much in the same situation, meaning the industry is still extremely fragmented.

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Carvana avoids the franchise business model like the plague, so sellers and dealerships of traditional operators are hardly of interest as acquisition targets.

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Thanks for starting the thread! The market is really fragmented, and there could be growth for a very long time. The price tag is quite salty at the moment, but considering the growth prospects, the overall market, and the founder/CEO’s large ownership, I definitely need to keep an eye on this.

In addition to Shift, which you mentioned, another similar company that came to market through a SPAC, Carlotz ($LOTZ) Ihre Datenschutzeinstellungen, also came to mind. It’s a much smaller player, with only 8 locations. https://investors.carlotz.com/

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That’s an interesting point too. I took a few excerpts from the company’s presentation for that:

I took a few pictures from that presentation, as it fits well with the thread anyway. Carvana is clearly the diamond of the industry, but others may also have potential. It’s interesting how Carvana’s gross profit per unit is massive compared to others. And then Carlotz’s customer acquisition is so much cheaper?

I don’t completely believe those numbers directly, but they do give some direction.

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Good find! I don’t know the others well enough to assess their position and quality. But I’ll approach it the way Carvana seems to. Ernie Garcia said in that Yahoo Finance interview last week:

-Our goal is to sell 2 million cars a year
-Last year Carvana sold 170k cars, this year probably around 250k, maybe a little more
-From the current volume, the goal is to increase sales by approximately 10X
-In the entire used car market in the US, 40 million cars are sold annually
-So, with Carvana’s 10X case, their market share would only be about 5%!

Summa summarum =

digital dealers are not fundamentally competing against each other yet; on the contrary, they are helping to shift consumer behavior from buying at physical stores to buying online. That’s why I see that there will be enough growth for several companies for a long time to come.

Well, are we going to forget about the fundamentals on this too :joy_cat:

https://twitter.com/dieseldog97/status/1351068696085721088

Edit: Let’s add @Arimatti_Alhanko’s post from the Kamux thread regarding Carvana and Vroom.

At the same time, let’s bring up the article @Verneri_Pulkkinen posted above Arimatti’s message about the shift of car sales online. Recommended reading!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-10-25/the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-dramatically-changing-the-way-we-buy-cars

It’s also worth browsing the Kamux thread, for example, using the search function, as Carvana and its competitors have been mentioned there from time to time.

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New markets are opening up again, quite a blast today :+1:

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Today, a couple of new areas for expansion were released. Good momentum :+1:

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Let’s put this in Carvana’s thread as well. The staff has been nicely brought into ownership. Thanks for the find @Arimatti_Alhanko

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High-calibre participants in this webinar, Carvana’s CEO also included:

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What makes this meeting so unique is that it unites board level executives from global automakers, USAs largest dealerships and those digital dealership disrupters. This is the only meeting that you will find board level speakers from Ford, to CarMax and Carvana.

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This online meeting will address and strategize the future customer experience and buying journey. This meeting is the one place for all your automotive retail news, updates, and benchmarks, uniting the most senior group of CEOs, CMOs, CDOs, strategy, CX and retail professionals.

Influential speakers include:

  • Elena Ford, Chief Customer Experience Officer, Ford Motor Company
  • Deborah Wahl, Global Chief Marketing Officer, General Motors
  • Bill Nash, President & CEO, CarMax
  • David W. Hult, President & CEO, Asbury Automotive Group
  • George Arison, CEO, Shift
  • Ernie Garcia, Chairman and CEO, Carvana

Please do share this with your peers, as this is not to be missed for those leading retail, marketing and experience.

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In the midst of the Kamux craze, Carvana also reported its results. Growth continues to be very strong, over 60%. As expected, it is still operating at a loss due to investments. Carvana has now risen to become the second largest used car seller in the USA with a market share of 1.7%, so there is still plenty of share to be gained. Currently, demand is greater than what can be supplied, which is a better problem than the other way around :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Here’s the earnings call

Carvana Q4 2020 call.pdf (105.6 KB)

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These speculations about optionality, which the company’s management has always denied so far, are already interesting.

Adam Jonas at Morgan Stanley on Friday upgraded his rating on Carvana Co. stock to the equivalent of buy and with a price target of $420, from $225. The price target represents a 60% upside from recent share prices. Describing Carvana as “just a ‘used car dealer’ is like describing Amazon nearly two decades ago as just an online book seller,”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/carvana-stock-has-60-upside-morgan-stanley-says-2021-02-26

Here are the CEO’s comments to CNBC.

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Let’s put this in this thread too, used car prices are rising sharply in the US:

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New markets opened again, the IR department launched four new areas at once :printer:

Next week is the earnings report, Thursday if I recall correctly. Q1 is surely very strong, and Q2 will be too, but I’m especially interested in what they say about the rest of the year.

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