Wuhan Coronavirus (Part 1)

Let’s create a dedicated thread for the Wuhan Corona so we don’t clutter other threads, as the information flow on this could be immense. (This way, important things won’t go unnoticed if someone shares them)

Aston already posted a link to a live map of the virus spread:

Some companies are already developing a cure:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-virus-vaccines/work-to-start-on-three-possible-china-virus-vaccines-epidemic-response-group-idUSKBN1ZM21P

However, this could accelerate the spread of the virus:

In my opinion, this is not that serious yet. How good do you think the general healthcare in China is? Can everyone even afford to go there? In Western countries, people are probably better at seeking medical attention when needed, and medicines are generally more accessible.

What do you think?

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Taleb seems to be following this too. If the reproduction number goes above 5, it will soon be everywhere… I think

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1221527908440838145?s=21

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Good idea to open a separate thread for this!

Here’s a good investor’s perspective:

The Ro (i.e., how many others a carrier will infect) is suspected to be high, over 3x what I’ve seen on Twitter, but estimates are still vague.

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R0 5 would already be truly sick, literally.

ZH pretty much sums up my own thoughts; ZeroHedge

Good luck to those who have cash, buying opportunities will come. I personally believe that the possibility of a longer-term disruption is perhaps around 10%.

But as ZH states, valuations are now so optimistic that I wouldn’t be surprised by a 10-15% correction quite justifiably. Anything beyond that is a bit of an overreaction, and at least I myself will then put on my buying pants, a face mask, and go wading into the markets to look for quality papers among the virus victims.

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Here’s a link to Uncle Nasse’s rt.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1

R0 between 3-5.47, very high. This could still develop a lot…

The UK group updated theirs downwards over the weekend: R0 2.5

https://twitter.com/jonread15/status/1220749549318430721?s=21

Key question, what will the mortality rate ultimately be, e.g. in emerging vs. Western countries…

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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/

In my opinion, most scientists consider 2.6 to be the current “official” number?

Be that as it may, 2.5 - 5.5 are all high numbers that predict a very high risk of a global pandemic.

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Plop plop! In the States, +2 cases within about an hour https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1221525755881873409

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Let’s hope the mortality rate stays low… then the overall risk is much smaller… I would think though that if the mortality rate is around 5% now, this could turn into some smaller Spanish flu?

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Experts on Twitter are writing that if R0 is 2.6, then 60-90% of the population (apparently global) would likely be infected (sounds wild). Well, from that, with a 5% mortality rate, one could calculate that 200-300M people would die.

I don’t entirely believe in such a severe scenario, of course, but who knows about these things.

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Save this, what R0 means… “spreadability”…

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Other important factors that are not known:

  • mortality rate %
  • ability to mutate

Known:

  • incubation period 2-14 days, during which the disease spreads even from an asymptomatic host
  • according to the mayor, 5 million people left Wuhan just before the lockdown.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mayor-of-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-outbreak-says-5-million-people-left-the-city-before-travel-restrictions-were-imposed-2020-01-26

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live virus monitoring :slight_smile:

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I don’t personally dabble in cash (because I can use loans if needed), but I did buy some hedges for my portfolio on Friday… just in case. Since the weekend was approaching, I shorted indices a bit (0.5% of the portfolio’s value in shorts). I was thinking that if a big virus spreading wave happened over the weekend, Monday might be quite dreadful. Well, that didn’t happen… but at least I got to spend the weekend 0.5% more peacefully :smiley:

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It is now warned that the virus cannot be isolated - countries should prepare for an epidemic

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I lived in that area for a couple of years. Medicines were available, and needles for every occasion. The medicines, by the way, were ones no longer used in Finland, and you could get plenty. I got the impression that locals visit healthcare professionals quite easily. Those professionals, however, didn’t seem to be quite on Finland’s level. I’m not 100% sure that easily spreading viruses would be under their full control, given that. Even though almost all of them are sympathetic and nice people.

They always wear a mask if they’re sick and moving in public places, by the way. Great. Some also wear one if they can’t bother to put on makeup in the morning. That’s also handy.

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All kinds of things can be found. I was told that the video combines clips that are over a year old. Go figure, it seems a bit fake.

Then there’s this: https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1221548086029430784

It seems semi-credible, but it’s probably best to stick to official sources.

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It is good to note, however, that that small area has many times more people than all of Finland. Over a hundred people die daily from normal flu/cold.

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If we think about these traditional coronavirus-based flus that are rampant here in Finland during the winter, they spread relatively easily to people in the close circle, meaning the contagiousness is certainly high here as well, but I bet that in the long run, the mortality rate will fall significantly below what was predicted.

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CNN video shows how Chinese sell wild animals in shocking conditions. Some of these videos were later destroyed by China, according to CNN.

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A few points:

  1. Xi Jinping is naturally taking advantage of this to increase the central government’s power.
  2. Money is made from conspiracy theory videos the more they are shared. In the exact same way that most of the false political propaganda during the US presidential elections was made for money. However, there are a lot of foreign journalists in China and Wuhan, so secrecy wouldn’t stay hidden. A little media literacy now.
  3. There are already coronavirus patients around the world, but the spread has not exploded in these countries. Mostly those who got sick were tourists from Wuhan. In Thailand, for example, there are 8 cases, 5 of whom have already recovered and apparently been sent home.
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