I just have to say that if you were to read the forum, you would see that there’s some pretty solid challenging going on there. Let’s be professional and comment in a way that benefits everyone.
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Yep, it’s our board and we want to keep the discussion high-level.
I recommend joining Jodel’s “Investing” channel. There are plenty of one-liners and guessers of the same caliber there 
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Yep, apologies to all your community members and good luck. I’ll try to find my way out 
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Does anyone know how to leave this site and have all their personal information, comments, etc., deleted?
Hey come on, don’t make such a drama out of this. You can very well continue here and make your voice heard, even if your views differ from the mainstream. Let me give you an example. My older brother has challenged and roasted just about everything related to Inderes’ community and operations here, sometimes a bit awkwardly and undiplomatically. This has, of course, caused a lot of justified counter-comments, but the key point is that his messages have practically never been deleted, and I don’t recall anyone ever saying they would block him from their feed. This proves that this forum is definitely not some old boys’ club, but rather a place where different views can be presented, as long as you remember to provide some justification for your challenges.
On most other forums, you can post any comment about anything, as long as it’s not criminal or otherwise offensive. Here, moderation is more strict regarding justifications. If you can orient yourself to that, you will, in return, gain access to primarily high-quality discussions in the company threads.
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Exactly! 
@PrudentBull it is very important that you consider how you present criticism. I think it is extremely important that the rules of this discussion forum are adhered to. Otherwise, it will sink to the level of a mediocre internet forum, and I, for one, would not enjoy such a forum.
So, in the future, when you present a critical perspective, for example, on Kamux, justify your viewpoint well without provoking. I am 100% sure that your message will not be flagged then. There are many examples on this forum, even from today, of critical messages that have not been flagged and will not be flagged.
EDIT: So, it’s worth writing and presenting your message as if you were speaking face-to-face under your own name. Partly because of this, I am on this forum under my own name, which forces me to behave as professionally as possible constantly. Of course, I would strive for this anyway, but still
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Bringing up one’s own name vs. a nickname always makes me think about how I want to present things, at least for my part. I’m hiding behind a nickname for now, and that’s why I think carefully about how I bring up any critical views. If you act openly with your own name and picture, you can, of course, be more direct, but that also easily brings its own challenges. So it’s worth considering this aspect very carefully.
Edit: typo
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In addition to your excellent comment, here is an excerpt from Inderes’ IPO prospectus.
Inderes’ mission is to connect listed companies and investors. The company has over 150 listed companies as clients, who want to serve their owners and the investor community by providing better investor communication. Inderes’ investor community includes over 64,000 active members interested in stock investing. The company’s societal goal is to democratize information in financial markets, so that everyone has equal opportunities to invest and save for their future based on information.
Being flagged is the result of a community decision. This is an appropriate reason on this investment forum, because the reason is the same as in an investment transaction where shares change hands. One or the other is right.
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You apologized and wished them luck, the apology is accepted.
I went through your old messages, I think you have sense and thought… at least more than me. You are perhaps more critical than average, and a critical perspective is needed especially for the Forum’s popular stocks. I myself am too bullish, positive and optimistic about my own stocks, like most people… come bring a healthy critical perspective.
Try to provoke less, look at the writing style of the forum gurus, justify your claims analytically, and bring something new to the discussion. Even @Kale1 and @JNivala came to write to you, so you can’t leave here anymore.
I understand that you are upset, but you should stay here, it will help you with your current and future investments. I believe you have something to offer on this Forum… you apologized and wished them luck. Everything is fine, come continue the discussions… thank you!
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Oh-hoh. It seems Juurikki is about to be thrown into the cellar, a prophetic image of which is already in the coffee room thread.
Why? I asked if a certain writer meant “pinna” (point) as a percentage or a hundredth of a percentage point (basis point, point), because the term is used for both. It was not only flagged, but also removed.
Feels quite arbitrary. No problem.
EDIT: It seems the entire discussion has disappeared, except for the interlocutor’s last message, which Juurikki found conciliatory. All good.
It’s quite funny that Juurikki has been thinking for a while now whether to put in the language maintenance thread that “we’re not in a mother tongue exam here.” When you have to be smart and eloquent for a living, you’d assume that at least in your free time you could relax a bit and use colloquial language in your written products.
Colloquial language is also used at work. In everyday language, and especially of course in the jargon used by a limited professional group, it’s perfectly fine to use terms like “pinna” freely, assuming the message recipient understands the message.
When terms from a small group are brought among non-professionals, it would be polite to avoid industry slang to prevent misunderstandings, even if it pleasantly adds authority and credibility among those who are unaware of the subject. This comment does not concern the discussion that took place.
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Good morning @Juurikki!
Just have to go back to yesterday for a moment: you also knew that “pinta” (surface) meant percentages in this case, I’m sure of it. Your comment about that was solely intended as a taunt.
Too bad, I used to like reading your messages sometimes. Now, especially during this “hydrogen hype,” your taunts related to it and trivialities like yesterday’s have, at least somewhat, changed the situation.
Have a nice day!
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Hydrogen and EV stocks, along with all kinds of new-age disruption stocks, are subject to sharp changes in direction. For much of this year, for example, hydrogen and EV were in a slump, and now the direction has changed again. So sometimes owning these is like pulling a heavy sled, and sometimes you get to enjoy strong percentage gains.
If your investment style is to invest in value stocks, investing in these disruption stocks may naturally seem strange. When hydrogen stocks fall, it’s easy to puff out your chest and consider yourself a smarter investor. When hydrogen stocks rise, it’s easy to feel regret for never experiencing such a wild ride with your value stocks.
There are many investment styles, but the most dangerous is to consider your own investment style the only correct one and start acting like a know-it-all. Diversity and the acceptance of different investment approaches are the absolute richness of this forum. If you encounter a flag or get put in the penalty box, the reason is usually that the know-it-all attitude has gotten out of hand for a moment.
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I managed to read the messages before they were deleted, and I (yes, I 
) was a bit annoyed that they had no other content or purpose than to be snarky. I completely understand if there’s good-natured teasing between men, but in written form, there’s always a risk that things are misunderstood, and on the other hand, there might be shortcomings in how something is presented. In one’s own mind, one might understand it differently than another. If Juurikki didn’t mean it as teasing, then based on that outburst, it felt a bit like an explanation to mend the situation, and that’s also okay. But then it’s perhaps unnecessary to flaunt one’s book smarts if you didn’t actually understand Santtu’s original “patience” comment.
Ultimately, this is just an internet discussion forum, and in my opinion, everyone has the right to mess around () if they don’t dare to do so in real life. Of course, within the rules. I belong to both categories, and if someone gets offended by my writing style, mistakes, or the dialect I use, oh well…
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Now that was such a bad “joke” that I had to flag it.
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Here, I could once again state that my sense of humor is the best and others are at least peculiar because their humor is different from mine. Black humor and sarcasm can certainly be frowned upon, but in most cases, it makes one think about things from different perspectives in a slightly incorrect way. In my opinion, the “joke” (läppä) was very good indeed.
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In my opinion, an investment forum is not a place for academic elites to run wild, but a hobby forum where the focus should be on the subject matter itself. If academic elites crave something wild to do in their free time, they should get drunk and go shouting in the streets.
And this has nothing to do with the attitude towards investing, but with the fact that most of us who write here, and especially those of us who write less but read the forum very widely, want the forum to remain a) on topic and b) readable. All unnecessary pseudo-humor, taunting, clowning around, and Kusti Kuusi Vee (Kusti 6-year-old) Paint drawings disturb this readability.
I believe the forum was made for sharing information, not as a playground for educated uncles. I hope it stays that way.
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I re-read the last few dozen messages; many good points from different perspectives. I’ve been on forums for 20 years, but mostly just reading, and here I’ve actually written.
At least for me, it took some time to really get into the Forum, meaning to understand the vibe and the rules. I’ve been flagged a few times, each time for a good reason. I haven’t done much flagging myself, perhaps one for every ten thousand messages I’ve read. A few times I flagged for what was probably the wrong reason, and I understood this in hindsight. Fortunately, the mods didn’t remove those messages, because I hadn’t flagged them correctly or with strong enough justification, and afterwards I realized I might not have understood the points of the messages themselves. I still don’t flag much if I’m even slightly unsure, but I will definitely flag if I feel a message is bullying or clearly offensive.
The moderation here is really good, and I think there’s also a good opportunity to correct one’s own behavior. The behavior and posts of the forum members here are of a really high standard compared to other forums – that should be remembered. As a flagger, I’ve made mistakes, and so have many others, and moderators have certainly made mistakes in their work, as everyone does at some point. So it’s good that things are discussed, and I understand some people’s annoyance, especially since many issues are borderline cases and flaggers may have misinterpreted things in their misunderstandings. Of course, if you constantly find yourself “a victim of moderation” in different threads, then it might be time to look in the mirror.
Of course, if you don’t like sarcasm or arrogance directed at yourself, then you certainly shouldn’t practice it towards others. Emphasized black-and-white prejudice or negative sharpness is clearly recognized, and such behavior is neither constructive nor helpful. Look in the mirror and understand others, then draw a conclusion; prejudices surprisingly often do not correspond to reality.
It’s good that there are a few threads here where you can let off some steam and act a little silly. It’s very likely that having such threads improves community spirit and keeps company threads and other factual threads clean.
If certain people’s messages almost always annoy you, this place helps with that:
There are many kinds of humor, and one must understand that; one should not insult or bully others under its guise, but it’s rare that people intentionally bully here. One must tolerate different kinds of humor and sarcasm, but the joker can then make it clear in one way or another that the intention is not to provoke, if they feel that the readers of the message might take it the wrong way.
When I’ve been flagged, I’ve learned something, and someone has sometimes kindly corrected me with a private message, for which I am very grateful. For example, in the plastic cup thread (Orthex), someone responded to my quoted message and presented their own reasoned perspective… it was a well-reasoned message without sarcasm or anything else, but rather a continuation of a good debate. I honestly have a lot to improve on, and frankly, I can’t afford to write in a critical tone to most of the writers on this forum; one must look in the mirror and understand the other side. Flagging without justification is okay, but if you want to give written feedback to the forum or to someone specifically, polite and friendly feedback works best - something constructive and reasoned.
These are my own opinions:
I am not a fan of anyone and I don’t worship anyone, but if you don’t know how to give feedback, then take a cue from the skills of, for example, @Wondadog, @Verneri_Pulkkinen, and @Johannes_Sippola in giving feedback. If you want to be a good forum member, take a cue from the writings of Inderes staff or, for example: @timontti, @SijoitusSeppo, @Lexus, @anon38833097, @Pohjolan_Eka, @JNivala, @TJT, @lazyway, @Arimatti_Alhanko @Kale1 and I’m already annoyed because the list has to be left unfinished… I’d like to mention so many more names. But… these are my own opinions and I always try to somewhat emulate those smarter than myself, to make the Forum a better place for the investor Human.
I don’t get angry easily and I’m a pretty kind person. However, I am quite a sensitive person and sometimes I get upset if someone speaks harshly to me, but I know everyone is sensitive in some way, so could things at least be presented politely without provocation or anything else. All clear bullying should be flagged immediately.
Apologies for the very long message, I’m truly sorry if I’ve offended anyone, as that has never been my intention. Good points above, because my message is already too long and confusing like an old-school prog song, so a small off-topic won’t make my message any worse, so I would hope for good discussants in the Cloudflare - CDN and the fight against DDoS attacks thread I founded. I founded that thread and own Cloudflare, but there are a few, e.g., @karhulalainen and @Toomas_Rahula, who have kept up a good discussion, I myself cannot bring added value to the discussion, could we get more people to discuss there?
Excuse my confusing message, these are just thoughts and not rules or facts. Let’s understand each other’s points, look in the mirror, and improve. Thank you and have a nice rest of the weekend everyone!
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Hi taivas!
In company threads, the aim is to keep the discussion factual and about the company itself, but you can discuss and ask about stock price wonders in this thread:
Otherwise, more relaxed discussions can take place in the Coffee Room. I sent you a message because your message will likely be flagged, i.e., removed soon.
Thanks, happy Father’s Day and have a great weekend!
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Welcome to the forum @neppailija
Your message was flagged, and I removed it from the Remedy thread. Please review the forum rules: always strive to contribute relevant content to other investors regarding investment targets with your comments.
You can chat more casually in the Coffee Room.
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It’s true that one’s own experience often doesn’t bring more to the discussion than its own weight. In this regard, there’s still room for improvement in consistency. There’s a noticeable bias in the community regarding anecdotes, depending on whether they are positive or not.
What if a bad experience with a competitor had been shared, and what the chain company had done better in its own case? It would pass. They have passed before. In the Harvia thread, quite a few own saunas were linked before it was deemed enough.
Although the community can, of course, decide for itself what to flag and what not, my sense of fairness tingles unpleasantly.
Flag
No flag.
This probably doesn’t bother anyone but me, but in my opinion, consistency and uniformity are paramount.
@Takkuparta I wasn’t going to flag it; it’s a good message even if it doesn’t contain strict argumentation. I would treat both of them superficially as opinions, and those are allowed to exist when reasons are also provided. Maycry’s message is also loosely tied to the discussion about competitive advantages and their foundations.
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