I would give almost the same weight to an ordinary mortal’s and an analyst’s estimate of the narrowness of the aisle. Isn’t an analyst also an ordinary mortal, or is it an abnormal mortal? If I knew this mortal, or analyst, better and knew them to be an expert in store layouts and thus able to assess expertly and credibly (preferably with justifications) its impact, then I might value this information.
Common sense should be used, and if there is other relevant expert knowledge in addition to that, it’s a big plus.
I posted a link to Nordea’s investor relations pages, which contained an interview with Nordea’s CFO organized by GS. The message was removed quite surprisingly, as the link leads to their own pages with their own interview.
I flagged a few messages in the Fortum thread. Of course, to be precise, perhaps more should have been flagged, or even none at all. You can write all sorts of messages in the Fortum thread via a tangential connection.
Of course, it can be argued that emissions are an essential part of evaluating Fortum’s business, but a “yes-no” discussion would, in my opinion, be more suitable for, say, the coffee room. The flagging effort is somewhat hindered by the fact that some messages have gathered a reasonable number of likes, meaning some forum members apparently feel that such a debate brings a lot of added value to the Fortum thread.
I’m probably not the only one who has put some important threads on watch, meaning I get an immediate notification of a new message. This is something that many who feel they’ve been unfairly flagged may not necessarily know! So, it’s a bit frustrating to read zero-content messages published without proofreading. Well, the final decision on the correctness of the flags belongs to, for example, @Johannes_Sippola.
I’m not familiar with that particular discussion, but generally, I’ve observed that the number of likes correlates poorly with added value. It seems to correlate better with how much a message pleases a wide audience (e.g., a one-line news link to positive news vs. an analytical challenge to an investment case or an attempt to understand valuation).
Therefore, I could imagine that the likes there have come from the “yes-no” camp boosting their own opinions.
I wish there was a visible button (not behind a menu) next to/instead of the like button, something like “Indicate that this was an added-value post that everyone should read.” A mere like is too vague a function to provide indications of this kind of data.
The flags were good, @NukkeNukuttaja, and I’ve noticed them, but at the moment, I haven’t done anything about them yet because we’re investigating the 502 error problem on the Discourse end (meaning I can’t move messages to threads with a lot of messages without that 502 error) It’s still important to remember that company threads are meant to stay strictly on topic and informative, so no “yes-no” discussions are desired in company threads. Those discussions can and should be moved to, for example, the coffee room.
Quite a flag storm in the Tecnotreen thread, where bears get flagged relentlessly for not clapping their hands when Kyösti speeds down the passing lane to the honey jar.
That’s not true. Contentless posts get flagged. There are plenty of bearish comments in many sensible posts that add more value to the thread. If a comment is something like: “I think this is a good/bad thing”, of course it gets flagged.
Some messages have been flagged even in the coffee room, even though they are not offensive or otherwise malicious. The coffee room is specifically a place where you can be a bit quirky, and messages don’t need to have any particular content. Loosen up on that flag finger, good sirs/madams.
I was also wondering about the flagged posts in the coffee room until I realized they were probably moved there from another thread and remained flagged. Or then some people really had a trigger finger.
I also sign up as a flagger in these threads. For some people, the expression can be a bit rough at times. And you can definitely notice the effect of the time of day. But that’s no excuse to get personal. The community has consistently flagged these things all along. The line hasn’t changed in this regard, even if it feels like it when the flag occasionally waves in your own direction too.
This flagging nonsense is really a senseless invention. It pretty much kills free discussion entirely. Apparently, some in this community assume that discussion should be purely fact-based analysis, but you shouldn’t expect analyst-level writing from amateur investors. For many, the appeal of investing is in something other than number crunching. I base my views mainly on the Nokia thread, where so-called free discussion has almost completely died out, and it’s now just a “news window.”
In a forum like this, it’s essential to maintain a rather analytical and clearly argued culture, otherwise, the discussion can easily become saturated Of course, lighter communication is welcome, but let’s keep the discussion high-level and constructive, and if the texts bring added value to the investor community, that’s always better
Restricting free-form discussion is one of the greatest virtues of this forum, because there’s no sense in thousands of linear thread readers being held captive by foolish opinions and forced to read unsubstantiated views and messages that have taken no effort. These short, few-sentence shout-outs tend to clog up threads, causing the level of discussion to drop and good messages to get lost in a mess of opinions.
I do agree with you about the Nokia thread being full of completely irrelevant news streams that have no significance for the company. It would be great if the discussion could be directed back towards the bigger picture, instead of talking about how a 25-billion company sold a wireless network to Germany or two masts to Spain
I disagree, those deals tell us where things are headed and for many, this is an important “news aggregator,” a place to find news about Nokia. Okay, maybe not every little rustle needs to be linked/posted, but I personally like that many people bother to post news in the Nokia thread.
The discussion about the bigger picture can also fit in there.
Don’t flaggers really provide information about the reason for their flagging, that is, something that would be visible to the staff?
To the matter itself; you don’t have to vote if you don’t think the options are OK. Or then, for every question, an “I can’t say” option.
That video is great
But the level of discussion and moderation here on Inderes’ forums is shaky.
I understand the desire to keep discussions on-topic, but it’s difficult, and moderators have certainly made mistakes, and continue to do so.
For example, on the Nokia forum, someone can spend months reporting how many shares a bot has bought and sold before lunch, but if you write something about Nokia’s share price development over the past month, or future price development, a flag is waved and you get banned.
Now, the Nokia forum mostly lists how many mobile links have been sold where, and in my opinion, the value of such information is almost zero. For Nokia, selling mobile networks is like someone buying beer from a grocery store - just normal business, where the revenue comes from.
The Nokia forum is a discussion board for 5-10 people, others have seen fit to stay on the sidelines.
Then if you compare it to the Harvia forum, people talk about anything there… the bar is really low.
Of course, if you go and write on the Harvia forum that the multiples are so tight now that there are risks in keeping your money here, a flag will wave and you’ll get banned too. You’re not allowed to say anything critical.
Perhaps some people’s Harvia holdings have grown too large, they’ve become Harvia believers, and can no longer think analytically.
Well, on holiday we can focus on happier things than the quality of forum posts.
Go swimming and keep a cool head, a strong NO to discussion forums, let your mind air out.
It’s still important to remember that company threads are meant to stay strictly on topic and informative, so no “yes-no” discussions are desired in company threads. Those discussions can and should be moved to, for example, the coffee room.
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