If one frequently gets a ticket, perhaps they should learn from it and change their behavior? Adapt to the community instead of complaining when others weren’t interested in their pointless rambling.
I got a ticket last week. And deservedly so I corrected the message to be more appropriate and moved on.
60% of the discussion here would disappear if off-topic messages were flagged. As I said, everyone has their rules, but I personally prefer to let people discuss and listen at the same time, because sometimes it sparks new good ideas, but to each their own.
There are many threads here from which the moderators have to actively clean up so-called zero-posts. I have a theory that not many people are interested in reading discussions in their followed companies’ threads that do not add value to the core, i.e., the investment case. When a few brilliant posts appear amidst the discussion, they easily get lost in the, pardon my language, mumbling that is seen in many threads. For example, I don’t even open the Kamux thread here anymore. Not to mention the IPO threads of listed companies.
There are other platforms where more casual messaging of a sentence or two is more suitable. Facebook and Discord are full of various investment-focused groups.
It’s easy to agree with this. I’ve gained the most benefit from the forum’s smaller threads, where you can occasionally find truly brilliant information or analysis, and the threads, for example, over the last 6 or 12 months, are still reasonably readable. For instance, if you were to start reading the Kamux thread you mentioned from the past year, it would take ages and most of the messages provide very little added value.
You can’t blame the community if some threads have more discussion, but perhaps the forum should lean more towards being a strict information hub or a more entertaining discussion platform around investing.
And even though “the rules are the same for everyone on the forum”, I think it’s good that there are especially chain-specific differences. There are threads (like Harvia) where the discussion is quite high-quality, and any nonsense comments will surely be flagged very quickly. Another example could be the Tesla thread (which, by the way, has changed a lot for the better in recent weeks ), where, for example, two months ago the level was quite different.
In threads, writers and readers form a consensus on what level they want to maintain in each thread. I personally consider this very good. Let’s compare it to parties; to some, you can go with a shorts + t-shirt combo (freer discussion¥0L0), and to others, a collared shirt is the minimum requirement. With a little reading comprehension and feeling out the atmosphere, you’ll notice which party to arrive at. And if you have those Crocs at a formal party, someone will surely show you the door (flag).
The best thing about this is that it doesn’t create “two-tier people,” as it actually can at formal parties (if you can’t afford that Hugo Boss jacket), but rather, added value to the discussion can be brought through translations, links, tweets, or even by browsing job advertisements. You don’t need to be able to crunch numbers in spreadsheets or know technical analysis.
Everyone can participate according to their own capacity and knowledge/skills, as long as you choose the right party where you want to speak. We all get to watch all of them.
A small note on this: the Harvia thread is unusually “like-minded,” meaning there isn’t much critical perspective/discussion, unlike in the Tesla thread. To put it broadly and generally, “like-minded humming” isn’t a good example of high-quality discussion (and I’m not referring to the Harvia thread specifically, but generally). If everyone is a bull, there won’t be many dissonances, and that might appear as “high-quality discussion” to many.
As an active participant in the Tesla discussion, I acknowledge that there is indeed some unnecessary snark (and I am certainly guilty of this myself), but there is also extremely in-depth discussion, for example, about the future of self-driving cars, even if it is often expressed quite sharply or even outright acrimoniously.
In addition to gathering information, I use the forum to challenge my own views, meaning I enjoy well-argued debates.
EDIT: I’ll also add that I personally decided to reduce “arguing” in the Tesla discussion because pretty much everything has already been said. Perhaps when something new comes up, I can write more there.
No one else but the Forum @moderators (or Administrators) can see this You’ll see the reason for the flag if the post is removed due to flagging, or if the administration specifically presses the “Hide post and ask user to edit post” button.
Would a one-week quarantine—a few days for new usernames—during which they cannot post, make the moderators’ work and flagging easier? Of course, there might be important things to say, but I believe this would eliminate messages like “where’s the IPO, where’s the money, when will it show up?”
An avid reader will return to say their piece if they find the forum useful.
I hope such messages are not posted in Kamux’s company thread. Because:
If an individual buys a car from Kamux, it doesn’t significantly affect the company’s key figures or other important information. Earnings reports, official publications, and “economic studies,” etc., are where we can see if customers are satisfied and if more cars are being bought than one might gather from Esso’s bar discussions.
If an individual forum user’s portfolio consists of 10%, 20%, 50%, or even 100% Kamux, it also doesn’t add value in most cases, at least not so significantly that it’s worth posting in the company thread.
These types of posts are perfectly suitable for linking to the coffee room. I understand that a new car lifts spirits, but that feeling can be vented in a place where it doesn’t drown out real information. Even if it’s been a while since the previous message.
And in this case, one must also consider that guidelines have been made here on the forum, individual streams become a river, etc.
It’s nice to read positive messages, and over 30 likes is a good achievement. And it’s good that the user came to the forum after a long time.
Just imagine how quickly the flag would have been waved if the customer experience had been criticized there, and it had been mentioned that Kamux would never be in their portfolio and they probably wouldn’t buy a car from there either. A positive opinion/experience is accepted without question, but a negative one doesn’t get likes and isn’t visible for long.
In my opinion, that’s a good goal, as my impression is that at least 60% of the discussion in most threads doesn’t really add value. For example, Kamux and Harvia, mentioned here, sometimes have such a flood of messages that you have to follow them daily if you want to spot the truly useful information. It’s no wonder people don’t bother to read entire threads, which results in the same themes circling back every couple of months.
I would find a concise knowledge base more valuable, where one can easily find the community’s most essential observations on an investment case with a little browsing. As stated, there are plenty of platforms for casual chat. Hopefully, the Inderes forum doesn’t become one of them.
No. But a message often gets longer if one wants to include proper argumentation in it. I’ve noticed that your username often posts just those chat-style, half-sentence quick remarks.
No. But it should contain something new and useful information for fellow investors. In my opinion, a good measure is also to ask whether this is potentially useful to someone or certainly useful to everyone (referring to the Puuilo discussion). The former can, in my opinion, be omitted, but the latter is definitely wanted more.
It’s a bit relative what is useful to whom. The purpose of “chat-style” messages is to make the other person think more deeply about the matter. In my opinion, very often 3000-character posts don’t contain any more truly useful information than short messages of a few sentences at most. They mostly just waste everyone’s time if you read them completely.
This is a broader problem with the current discussion culture. People don’t bother to listen (or read on discussion forums) to what others have to say, let alone stop to consider what the other person might mean.
This is precisely the kind of “my own opinion first” attitude that makes current life seem so ill-mannered and rushed.
Why on earth would anyone even come to a discussion forum to write if they aren’t interested in others’ opinions? I, for one, feel that I am primarily here to learn from the experiences of others, not to push my own views.
And there’s something flawed in the logic of your thought; I can tell you, to your surprise, that you don’t waste my time if you read my messages.
As for the topic at hand, I believe that the current flagging practices are working well. I have flagged all the off-topic, pseudo-humorous comments I have found, and there are plenty of them. The administration then decides what to do with them.
Of course, it must be remembered that this is just one of many internet discussion forums, so the matter should not be made too important.
The banning and flagging is a bit unclear, at least to me. I took a two-week break and saw that three flagged messages from the week before the ban, which had dozens of likes, were flagged. Apparently, some automatic flagging limit was reached, and the ban came with the justification “spam”? One person’s trash is another’s valuable information?