It’s complete nonsense that high-quality and good messages would be widely flagged, let alone deleted, regardless of which forum member they come from. The traditional “I disagreed and got flagged” argument also doesn’t suit most users. Sometimes, of course, the baby can be thrown out with the bathwater.
The latest and excellent example is provided by P1, who dares to disagree with the forum owner, Inderes. And that’s not all, he compares Inderes to maligned, grumbling, and dividend-paying Finnish companies. That is, against what Inderes was originally supposed to fight. Could Inderes be criticized more harshly?
The message is well-written in every respect; it also contains a bit of a jab but also a genuine and proper red thread without accusing anyone. And at least according to the latest information, P1 is still thriving on the forum, even though he publicly dared to stand against the empire.
Not everyone can be writers like Eka (I wish I were), but it’s nonsense that one shouldn’t be allowed to disagree.
A mere downvote is worthless because it’s just a differing opinion without justification. A more constructive way to communicate is to justify why you disagree.
Our opinions are, of course, dear to us, but it’s not a bad exaggeration to say that opinions are not interesting. They are cheap; anyone can form many of them for free every day.
Instead, the facts guiding opinions are very interesting, because one can learn new things from them. Especially the justifications for an opinion differing from my own are valuable, because they are most likely to contain phenomena that I have not yet identified myself.
If there is a factual error in my text, or a reasoning error derived from something I know, please tell me so I can correct my mistake, thank you.
All flagged and eventually removed messages, regardless of context, could be moved to their own thread. The thread title would be "Flagged but note: read at your ownrisk"
It might become one of the most read threads on the forum; at least I would be interested in browsing the latest posts in the thread immediately.
Mods have often communicated over the years that most flags are justified and that if someone harasses by flagging good messages, they will face sanctions.
They certainly don’t stay if they don’t represent the only generally accepted viewpoint. @Insinoori can confirm this, you cannot accept at all that someone writes something about Ukraine or Russia, for example, that is different from what you yourself think?
I looked at your comments, and you are quite free to, for example, write about Ukraine’s weaknesses and call for the restoration of trade relations between Finland and Russia. And there’s nothing wrong with that if someone wants to profile themselves as a representative of that viewpoint; those messages don’t necessarily need to be flagged, even if I personally find that worldview repulsive. However, if the same nagging happens to appear too often in threads, I wouldn’t be surprised if flagging clicks start coming in.
As for Insinööri, we remember him, among other things, for his eagerness to demand strict forum censorship when discussing OmaSP’s problems. And the criticism directed at the company was quite successfully hidden for a time, which is one of the most unfortunate blunders in this forum’s history. At some point, it started to happen that we read the same things here on the forum that Alma’s financial newspapers reported a few days later, and the flagging demands no longer went through. That, by the way, is one unfortunate thing, that many people treat the stocks they own like little girls treat their favorite bands, and the flagging of all criticism is then at that level.
If one is a fan of Russia or criticizes 5G vaccines within the rules, no one has anything to object to. Deleted messages violate the forum rules. They are not deleted because of opinions. But you should, of course, ask the moderators who delete those messages if you feel you have been mistreated.
And there’s the fan card right away, congratulations on your ability for objective discussion! I won’t bother asking about it any further; that already tells enough about the general atmosphere of the forum, and it doesn’t change the bans I’ve received.
Being banned for appropriate comments only shows that I’ve really gotten under the other debater’s skin, even if that wasn’t even the intention.
I have to say that I also get a lot of flags on messages if I go to a popular company thread and negate Pohjola. Sometimes my own messages also test the limits of good taste or people’s nerves, and I receive proper warnings from moderators. I consider it very possible that if it’s someone a little less familiar, who comes to the discussion with a newer username, the treatment might actually be harsher.
We are all just human, and a moderator has to make many quick decisions based on flags without necessarily having time to thoroughly go through the entire context of the discussion. I would argue that the general level of moderation is excellent, but flagging critical messages into hiding is a real phenomenon, and I believe concerns about it should be taken seriously. In fact, this thread was specifically created so that there would be a place to complain about flags or the lack of reaction to flags, and to have an open discussion about what kind of forum culture we want to create together.
That was me! maybe it was a bad flag? Don’t feel like starting the day with politics and Hitler in the coffee room, but maybe that’s exactly the start to the day the coffee room needs. I didn’t think too deeply about my flagging.
Nice in general that you also take time for discussion
If you absolutely need an answer to that question, you could ask it privately, or alternatively, if you ask in the thread, there should be a bit more to the message.
It wasn’t inappropriate, but it doesn’t necessarily bring much added value either. You yourself (if that deleted message was yours) had asked a couple of messages earlier, where it already became clear that it’s coming tomorrow (i.e., today?). The location, however, remained unclear in this message at least:
Of course it was a reasonable question, and such a message should naturally not be moderated away. An essential question that clarifies how anyone interested in the company can watch the interview. Information that the person who first mentioned the interview should have provided without even being asked. An absolutely absurd comment from the moderator to demand “a little something else” for that.
(Yes, I’m replying to a 21-day-old message, but that was a clear moderation error.)
maybe it was a bad flag? Don’t feel like starting the day with politics and Hitler in the coffee room, but maybe that’s exactly the start to the day the coffee room needs. I didn’t think too deeply about my flagging.
