Car - A brake on getting rich?

I present a differing perspective. A mileage tax, like all taxes, reduces the amount of activity, and a decrease in activity is very harmful to society in the long run.

A mileage tax also reduces commuting. For a portion of the population, the workplace is at a distance that can also be covered by alternative modes of transport instead of private cars. Of course, it takes more time, and that extra time spent traveling is taken away from other uses of time.

An advertisement for Gymnaestrada tickets happened to appear at the same time. Hobbies are apparently counted as the aforementioned non-essential driving. Some might get to Joensuu by public transport, while others might not.

There were about 167,000 registered football players in Finland last year.

Matches have certainly been played up to this date this year as well, and non-essential driving has been used to get to those games.

Movement in general, team sports, and the resulting turnover and activity can hardly be considered harmful to society.

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Are we mixing apples and oranges in this discussion? A kilometer tax practically already exists in the form of fuel excise duty. As motoring becomes electrified, tax revenue has simply decreased significantly, so something needs to be done. Considering the tax base, the most equitable solution is to tax electric vehicle usage in some way to get the tax revenue growing again.

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Why should motorists be made to pay for costs significantly beyond those related to road maintenance? In itself, car ownership should not be favored since cars are not manufactured here, but it should not be excessively penalized either. The argument that “this is how it has always been done” is a poor one.

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The most equitable by what metric?

The taxation of diesel and electricity are reasonably close to each other. A diesel driver pays more tax because they consume more.

If fairness means that everyone pays the same amount regardless of their consumption, then:

  • what is the reference value for consumption against which others are compared?
  • if the reference car is a Corolla, does an F-150 driver get a refund for their 20-liter consumption?
  • is it equitable to tax someone even if they don’t consume?
  • should the same equity be extended to other energy use? The same heating bill for everyone regardless of house size and heating method?
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I think the above gets to the heart of the matter. If we look at history, mobility has always increased economic activity. Shipping and trade, railways, etc. I believe we are badly off track when the primary concern is tax revenue. The problem isn’t the tax revenue itself, but the imbalance in the state’s finances. The economy needs to get back to growth so that tax revenue increases naturally. We have evidence that mobility increases economic activity. If we can bring down the costs of mobility and transport, we get more economic activity. If mobility is electrified, sin taxes are not justified in the same way as before.

In my opinion, we currently have excessively high taxation. Economic activity doesn’t emerge when money has to be funneled too quickly to the “nobility” (rĂ€lssi) for unprofitable operations. First, 50% is taken from the salary, then in the next stage, 25.5% VAT is taken from the purchase. You can’t build a long value chain in Finland because the money disappears so quickly to “idealistic parties who know better what should be done with the money.” The smart consumer has noticed that before ordering a product via the domestic Posti (Car tax, vehicle tax, fuel tax, driver’s income tax, VAT, pension insurance, employer’s health insurance contribution, unemployment insurance contribution, accident and group life insurance), it’s better to just “Temu” it. Now the “nobility” is considering a Temu tax as a solution. Great. Our business federation chairman said we need immigration to get labor. At the same time, he couldn’t say what work is actually available. Until we solve the problem that there are far too many middlemen in a small necessity purchase, we have a problem on our hands. A Temu tax might help a little, but it won’t solve the problem.

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Any tips for “tendering” car financing, and which route offers the best deals?

Currently, I’m paying a €16 servicing fee and about €44 in interest. Could a specific credit card even be cheaper? The loan balance is probably around €10,000–€11,000, I don’t recall the exact amount remaining.

And yes, changing the car was a necessity. Cars that can fit three high-quality rear-facing seats don’t really exist in the budget price range. Well, the car itself isn’t expensive, but the financing is.

And yes, saving would be possible if I put the seats forward-facing, which would allow for a car choice that’s, say, €5,000 cheaper.

I’m mainly interested in where I could “buy this out” with something closer to a 5% interest rate.

Of course, the loan itself is being paid down quite rapidly. But the costs are currently a bit too high (at €50–60/month); if I could get them down to around €30–40/month


Is there no “Autovex” type service for loans?

I can manage the payments, but if I could get the total costs down to somewhere around 5–7%.

Or let’s put it this way: the car financing is expensive enough that it’s probably not far off from a credit card anymore?

Traditional “home renovation loan” instead of a “car loan”?

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As I understand it, this kind of maneuvering is no longer possible nowadays; banks are much stricter about their funds (either by their own choice or due to regulation).

How does the bank monitor the completion of, for example, a bathroom or kitchen renovation?

Through receipts, invoice payments, and installment drawdowns, among other things. That is, if it’s a secured renovation loan, which I assume was the idea here in order to get a low interest rate.

At least that’s how it was in the case of my own renovation loan.

If you take out a secured consumer loan—for example, by offering your apartment as collateral—it doesn’t matter whether you say you’re using the money for renovations or buying a car. The bank’s lower margin is based on the reduced risk provided by the collateral, not the intended use of the loan.

So, if you have collateral, just go and talk to the bank.

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We are starting to drift a bit off-topic for this thread, but we recently took out a loan for a major home renovation, and the extremely low margin got me thinking about leveraging a second car purchase and an investment loan.

However, at least in my own bank, a renovation loan classified as a mortgage could only be drawn down against invoices. The contractor’s invoices go to the bank, which then draws down the loan to our account and pays the invoices against that drawdown.

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