Witted - Next-generation software development company

I’m creating a separate thread for this. Witted announced its plans to go public today.

Company in brief:
Witted is a new generation software development company that helps clients build successful software development teams and aims to foster collaboration across the IT vendor landscape. Witted Megacorp Group’s revenue in 2021 was 30 million euros. The Group employs approximately 400 IT professionals full-time, some of whom work as independent consultants and some as employees. In addition to companies located in Finland, the Witted Megacorp Group includes companies in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the United States. In addition to these, the Company undertakes projects in several different markets.

Today’s announcement: https://www.inderes.fi/fi/tiedotteet/witted-suunnittelee-listautumisantia-ja-listautumista-nasdaq-first-north-growth-market

Company page has been opened: Witted Megacorp - Inderes

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I interviewed CEO Harri Sieppi.

-Video Topics-

00:00 Introduction of the CEO
00:47 Why Megacorp?
02:20 What does Witted Megacorp do?
02:45 The IT services sector is familiar to many investors, how does Witted differ from other players in the field?
05:59 Sustainability of competitive advantages?
07:40 Witted as a large company
08:40 Relevant target market
09:50 Witted has been called a “serial doubler” due to its rapid growth. How would you describe the company’s strategy and goals going forward?
16:20 Why are you planning to go public?

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Familiar faces from the forum serving as anchors at Witted.

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Thanks @Yu_Gong :slight_smile:

I’ll join the discussion right away as a CEO on call, so if you have any questions, I’m here :wave:

So for the new folks → I’m Harri, founder and CEO of Witted. A Laplander from Rovaniemi, now living in Lauttasaari, right next door to Mikael. Madness struck almost 6 years ago when I founded the company and then my friends were enticed to join. The journey has been quite a ride and a combination of work and leisure, as my little princess, my daughter Sanni, was born around the same time as this entrepreneurial spark. I’m just an ordinary guy who has now ended up on a very unusual journey and in the IPO world.

We’ve done this a bit differently, as openly as we know how, and tried to demystify the IPO by writing a blog about it, which has been published here on Inderes’ pages, and a Podcast that can be found on almost all podcast platforms.

I’ll help out here if any questions come to mind.

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There’s been interesting growth, and the projection from 2021 (EUR 30 million) to EUR 50-60 million (2022) is all the way up to EUR 150 million (2025). This is organic growth for 2025, which can be accelerated by acquisitions.

@Harri_Sieppi, the growth ambition is remarkable, so I have to ask how the revenue for Q1 2022 went? This information must exist, as Q1 2022 has ended. How strong was the 2021 growth, and how was it distributed quarterly?

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https://www.finder.fi/Henkilöstövuokraus/Witted/Helsinki/yhteystiedot/3139553

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Hi @Opa,

Q1 should actually be completed today. We have a financial cycle where the numbers should be ready within the first 6 days of the month. It was incredibly frustrating that we couldn’t include the Q1 figures in the ITF release, but no worries, we will add Q1 to the company prospectus, so we should be able to communicate that pretty soon.

Regarding how growth is distributed quarterly, Q1 is expected to be very good, and Q2 also. The business practically grows every month in this sector, except for July (and perhaps December is often a bit half-hearted), but overall it grows steadily. July causes a small dip every year, but it’s pretty much the same for everyone.

Addition: I have a tip for you → it’s worth following the changes in the number of employees at consulting firms. It’s an element that really reflects the development of the business, as most people do billable work. It also gives a good idea of future business development. I think about 25-30 people started last month (in the whole group), and the previous months have been at a similar pace.

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Let’s put the Kauppalehti quotes here too, though the first one is behind a paywall:

Witted operates in the same industry as well-known companies like Reaktor and Futurice. Witted itself calls itself an IT consulting firm.

In addition to Finland, Witted operates in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the United States, and also undertakes projects in several different markets.

According to Sieppi, a community of about 4,500 people has formed around the company, a large part of whom are closely involved with the IT sector.

“This community is definitely one target group for the IPO. We have actively sought anchor investors who want to invest in a growth company and see the potential.”

Indeed, the anchor investors, familiar from the forum, were nicely spotted in @saku’s message above.
Otherwise, it was pretty much the same information that Harri also shared in the Inderes interview.

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Thank you!

Thanks also to @saku for bringing up those anchors. I think we got a really top-notch crew now. Familiar faces and, from my perspective, well-known masters from the forum as well. Our original idea was for the anchors’ contribution to be slightly smaller, but there seemed to be interest, and we didn’t want to drop anyone from this group, so we decided to anchor this part.

Petri’s and Arimatti’s encounter in this project was pure gold :slight_smile: I remember their historical duels when Petri was an analyst writing reports and Arimatti, on the other hand, was challenging them. It’s fantastic that they are now together in this project.

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What is the average/approximate time it takes for a new employee to start doing billable work?

How would you explain Witted’s business idea to a homeless person sitting in front of a local grocery store (Sale)? Just saying

helps clients build successful software development teams and aims to create collaboration across the IT vendor landscape"

doesn’t quite explain what problem is intended to be solved. To put it simply, you help build successful software development teams? What are they used for, for example, or what problems do they solve? I.e., what added value does it bring to the customer? What kind of examples of collaboration could there be? And again, what added value does that collaboration bring?

Good luck with the listing! :slightly_smiling_face:

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Regarding this, I also have a question: how high is the consultant turnover rate, and how long does one consultant work for you on average? I understand that there is quite a bit of turnover in consulting firms because clients eventually want to hire consultants to work for their own company.

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Finally, an interesting company in the IT sector.

Out of the 8 million offering, 4.6 million has been reserved for cornerstone investors. One of the motivators mentioned in articles and interviews is to build a community around the company.

What kind of sentiment will there be among small investors towards the company, assuming that there is demand for the 3.4 million reserved for small investors (or will institutional investors also take a slice of this?) and the offering will be significantly oversubscribed, leading to a lot of allocation cuts? Does such a limited offering create the conditions for community building? The funds raised in the offering are limited from outside; is the timing right, or would it have been better to grow organically for another year and then raise more money?

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Is there any cut-off for anchor subscriptions, meaning only 50-80% of the subscription is guaranteed if it’s many times oversubscribed? In Lapwall’s case, the cut-off was the largest in recent memory, as anchors only received half.

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Hey @Bjorninen SamiK and @Peskaparse

Great questions, thanks for them!

“How long does it take on average/approximately for a new employee to start doing billable work?”

The question strongly refers to experts, so I’ll answer from that perspective. We have tried to ensure that people don’t start on a project on the very first day, but instead have an initial orientation period of a couple of weeks. Often, this has been a balancing act with client wishes, but we have wanted to stick to it.

“How would you explain Witted’s business idea to a vagrant sitting in front of a local convenience store (Sale)?
Just saying ‘helps clients build successful software development teams and aims to create collaboration across the IT vendor landscape’ doesn’t really explain what problem is intended to be solved. To put it simply, you help build successful software development teams? What are they used for, for example, or what problems do they solve? I.e., what added value does it bring to the client?”

This is always one of my favorite questions. We IT companies are currently terribly bad at communicating what we do in plain language. Especially when we can’t use IT terms. I’ve only told my 5-year-old daughter that daddy works at a bread factory, and that’s what she tells her friends. (Our office happens to be located in a bread factory.)

To the vagrant at Sale, I would probably say that when you open your phone or TV, you come across services that we have been involved in creating. If you use online banking, buy food online, book trips, or doctor’s appointments, we are helping you there again. A large number of IT professionals do these projects, and increasingly, you will come across us then.

The vagrant at Sale might not grasp the dynamics of our field, but in reality, our clients are already very adept at IT service development, and the client leads these projects both in Finland and internationally. That is also correct; that place belongs to them, not to software consultants. There, we IT companies, together and in cooperation with the client, always build development teams for new needs - projects come and go, but the work just continues. In the IT sector, projects are only outsourced by entities that cannot lead them themselves or if the work is not critical. The environments are often multi-vendor environments.

In the company prospectus, we seem to break this down by industry, so we do:

  1. e.g., music services, streaming services for consumers, and operating systems for mobile phones (Digital leaders -clients)
  2. online stores and e-commerce services for businesses, online banks, operator services (retail, telecom, finance)
  3. digital services for industry, health technology, and public sector services.

Regarding the company prospectus, we have really messed up the reference game. We have never purposefully collected public references, because they have never been needed. Demand in the industry is so high that customer acquisition has never been a problem. At the same time, whenever you talk to someone coming to work, of course you can tell them what project they are needed for now. This has led to the fact that for us, this IPO has been the first time we need references when describing the company to a new target group. We screwed up the reference thing, sorry - We will try to collect them on the company’s site in the future. However, Newthings.co and mavericks.fi sites do have references collected and published by the subsidiaries.

Regarding added value: there is huge global competition between digital products (e.g., Wolt vs. Foodora). People use the services that work best. If a client can build killer features, another might copy them quickly. The competition intensifies and the pace accelerates. All this comes back to who has the best and most innovative team doing these. When operating in such an environment, we IT providers must be able to be constantly one step ahead of the market and ensure that the client’s development teams are better than those of competitors. In such a world, Witted has succeeded well.

Related to this, a question: how high is the turnover of consultants, and how long does one consultant work for you on average? In consulting firms, I understand there is quite a lot of turnover because clients want to hire consultants into their own company at some point.

Historically, we have had quite low turnover. This may not be opened up in our materials, but the information can probably be seen from public sources. However, the doubling rate means that the medium tenure looks short, but that is because half of our people have joined in the last year. This has been the case throughout history - half are always new. Talented Insights also monitors this industry dynamic.

This year, there have been only a few individual leavers. We are likely in the under 5% category. The company is quite young (5+ years), many of the subsidiaries are even younger, so they are well protected by the fact that many have only just started working or have only been working for a few years. We have also been protected by the fact that the employer brands and subsidiaries are specialized and strive to be the best workplaces in the world for a specific target group. Likewise, we have been protected by the fact that we have openly gone through this IPO journey for about a year now, and our staff owns the company. Almost everyone has ownership, and hopefully the newest joiners will become owners in the employee offering made in connection with the IPO. The idea would be to keep this turnover low in the future as well :slight_smile:

P.S. Sorry for the long answer. The questions seemed to require a bit of elaboration!

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Moro :wave: - I tried to squint through the ITF announcement, and it indeed doesn’t mention any dates. It’s probably the case that for one reason or another, we’re not allowed to say yet when, for example, the subscription period begins. This seems to be part of the IPO choreography.

I’m sure we’ll get information about the next steps published soon. We’ll ping here as soon as we get the OK :slight_smile: doesn’t it usually come quite quickly after the ITF?

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Let’s clarify this a bit more. Do you mean 1) resource leasing (T&M billing), 2) overall responsibility for the development of certain parts (fixed or T&M price), or 3) management consulting (probably T&M again)?

And if (as I suspect) all of these, then in what proportion?

Edit: And as a follow-up question, do you support the development phase, the operation phase, or both?

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Regarding the anchor investors, there are usually no cuts, but they are what the ITF release mentions:
4.6M / 8.0M is that anchored institution.

That’s now a little over half of it, but that’s good. I can admit that when we were doing that institutional round and Europe exploded into war, I broke into a cold sweat for a moment. Luckily, anchor demand was strong at this point, and even though there was a huge mess going on in the world, we got the anchor investors on board. Personally, I would be nervous doing an IPO in a turbulent market without support in the background.

@Mesi, that’s exactly the balancing act companies have to do. “What if it goes over?” “What if it doesn’t?” Our community already exists; more people join every day, and rarely does anyone leave. We’ve never had the opportunity to share ownership with this group before, so even a small ownership feels like a good plus now.

P.S. To us, that offering has always felt more big than small x). There’s a magical limit at that eight.

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Hello Musti, as a general rule, we always aim to sell on a Time and Material basis, whether it’s a project, continuous product development, or management consulting. Historically, there might have been some fixed-price cases, but we’ve tried to avoid that.

To your follow-up question: yes, we’ve had a role in all different stages of product development. Planning, implementation, and maintenance, as well as further development. Even now, there are projects that are in maintenance and further development, but most, of course, are those where something new is being built.

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I would actually argue that anchor investors usually do have lock-ups…

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I could be very wrong about this, and the anchors might have lock-ups. This is my first IPO :raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed: We haven’t had any discussion about them, so the assumption is that the anchors’ share is that 4.6.

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Thanks. If we return to the question, “How would you explain Witted’s business idea to a homeless person sitting in front of a local supermarket?”, would it be completely wrong to explain it like this:

Consultants on the payrolls of Witted’s subsidiaries help customers build digital solutions for the internet. Customers call Witted when they either don’t want to or can’t otherwise recruit people for that specific need themselves. For this reason, customers are willing to pay more for a consultant than for their own employee, and Witted makes its money from this difference.

And then for more advanced listeners:

  • Witted doesn’t have its own IPR (Intellectual Property Rights), but the expertise resides in its employees?
  • The competitive advantage compared to other similar consulting firms relates to the subsidiaries, each of which performs roughly the same client work from a slightly different angle, starting from recruitment. This provides the ability to react quickly, is a differentiator, and decentralizes decision-making. An example is Mavericks’ transparent description of its compensation model with commission based on billing rates (e.g., Witted Mavericks – Witted.com)

And if I oversimplified incorrectly, please correct me, of course. :slight_smile:

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