tästä Hisensestä: kymppimillejä vuodessa ja takautuvanakin jotain “pientä”, itse menisin ehkä Kinkin kanssa tuolla alarajoilla vuosituloissa, catchup ehkä saadaan myöhemmin kalkyloitua, voi olla lähempoänä ylärajaa, toimittanut kuitenkin vuosien aikana satoja miljoonia tv:tä (ilman lisenssiä)
Estimate of royalty / catch-up payments — realistic view
Because the deal terms are confidential, we can only estimate based on similar licensing deals and Nokia’s public disclosure patterns:
For a TV maker like Hisense:
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Hisense ships ~25–29 million TVs per year globally.
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If even a modest per-unit royalty applies (e.g., €1–€3 per unit), that suggests tens of millions per year in royalties, plus some catch-up if past use was unlicensed.
Rough illustrative ballpark (not confirmed):
These numbers are estimates based on typical licensing economics and should not be cited as official figures. Neither Nokia nor Hisense have published concrete numbers for this deal.
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Here’s a **fact-checked overview of what we do and don’t know about Nokia’s video/multimedia patent licensing, what other deals look like, and how you can estimate the potential value of the Nokia–Hisense deal using known patterns. Nothing public gives exact numbers for the Hisense settlement itself — that’s confidential — but there are some useful comparators and real licensing data points.
1) What Nokia has said about the Hisense deal
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Nokia announced a multi-year patent license with Hisense covering video technologies in TVs.
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The deal resolves all patent litigation worldwide.
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Financial terms are confidential. Nokia did not disclose royalty amounts or lump sums.
So we don’t have a public figure for Hisense specifically.
2) What we can use as context: other Nokia patent deals
Samsung (TV/video)
This means Nokia is not just licensing to Hisense — Samsung also licensed the same technology, potentially at a similar royalty structure.
HP video tech licensing
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Nokia also struck a video tech license with HP (covering PCs and other devices) resolving litigation, with royalties to Nokia.
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Again, terms are confidential.
So Nokia is actively pulling royalties from multiple electronics makers across consumer electronics categories.
Broader Nokia licensing pattern
Nokia’s own filings show that:
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Nokia Technologies had an annual licensing net sales run-rate of about €1.3 billion (excluding catch-up payments) and sees growth driven by smartphones, automotive, IoT, consumer electronics including multimedia.
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The company was expecting significant catch-up payments (one-off lump sums) in excess of €400 million from prior periods.
This shows a real, ongoing revenue stream of meaningful size from patent licensing — not trivial per-deal pocket change.
3) What third-party commentary suggests about royalty rates
There is no official public royalty percentage for Nokia’s video patent licensing, but some court rulings and statements provide reference points:
Interim UK court rate example
In a related patent dispute involving Acer, Asus, and Hisense, a UK court suggested (only interim, not final) a figure of approximately $0.365 per unit sold as a reasonable FRAND rate — higher than the ~$0.03 the implementers proposed and lower than Nokia’s ~$0.69 ask. (This was in context of video streaming patent disputes, not exactly the TV deal, but it does indicate the ballpark of per-unit valuations courts consider reasonable in multimedia patent contexts.)
Per-unit royalty rates are a common licensing model for SEPs (standard essential patents) and other essential technologies, and this figure gives a root of reality for negotiation outcomes.
4) Important context on licensing economics
Industry analyst data (in mobile patents but cross-applicable for multimedia over time) suggests:
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For wireless SEPs in phones, fair royalties can range from <4% up to >10% of product price, with actual averages often in the mid range.
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Nokia historically collected roughly €1.05–€1.23 per device on some licensing pools in aggregate, and €400M+ annual catch-up from some handset deals.
Video or TV patent monetization is typically lower per unit than cellular patent licensing for handsets, but can still be material given large shipment volumes.
5) How to roughly estimate value for TVs
To get order-of-magnitude thinking:
Step 1 — TV shipment base
Hisense ships:
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~24.5 M TVs in 2022
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~25.9 M in 2023
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~29.1 M in 2024
Let’s assume:
- Hisense ships ~28–30 M TVs per year in a typical cycle.
Step 2 — Per-unit royalty proxy
If a FRAND per-unit royalty comparable to the UK interim case were applied:
Step 3 — Catch-up / lump sum
Often licensing deals include retroactive payments for past unlicensed use.
In comparable discussions in Nokia’s handset business, catch-up chunks can exceed hundreds of millions of euros in total from multiple licensees.
If Hisense used video/multimedia patents unlicensed for several years at 25–30 M units annually, a retroactive payment (catch-up) could be tens of millions up to low/mid-hundreds of millions, depending on royalty rate and duration.
This is a rough proxy based on court valuations and general licensing logic, not a confirmed outcome.
6) What factors shift the valuation
Upward pressure would come if:
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Nokia has strong essential patents for widely implemented video standards (H.264/HEVC/etc.) and can demand FRAND rates with leverage.
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Hisense signs multi-year agreements with other major brands (Samsung already has one).
Downward pressure arises from:
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Negotiations and FRAND constraints (standard regulators and courts often limit royalty rates).
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Interim or arbitration decisions indicating lower per-unit fees (e.g., UK court figure).
Summary: What public evidence suggests
We do not have definitive figures for the Nokia–Hisense deal.
But the patent licensing landscape around similar Nokia video tech deals indicates:
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Nokia is successfully signing multiple license agreements in TVs and consumer electronics.
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Nokia’s broader licensing business has a ~€1.3B annual run-rate and expects growth including multimedia.
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Independent court proceedings in the UK suggest reasonable per-unit royalties for video patents around ~$0.365 rather than tiny fractions.
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Comparable patent deals in mobile suggest catch-up payments can be tens to hundreds of millions in aggregate when multiple years of infringement are resolved.
Bottom line (realistic business estimate)
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Annual ongoing royalties for Hisense’s use of Nokia video patents could be in the single-digit tens of millions USD/EUR, given TV shipment volumes and reasonable per-unit rates.
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Retroactive “catch-up” payments for past unlicensed use could easily be millions to low-hundreds of millions depending on how long the infringement period was and the agreed FRAND rate.
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Confidentiality is standard; Nokia has not published the deal’s financial terms.
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